OKW manpower penalty?

Jump back to quoted post2 Mar 2015, 21:14 PMWingZero

Why not get rid of the Vet 5 system all together? Vet 5 is just a broken mechanic just like vCOH Wehr was able to purchase Vet 3 on all units.

Because its special snowflake neat. Relic should have two abilty unlocks (some already have a few) and again the combat utility shouldnt be better then other factions when they reach vet. Especially when you consider the already advantaged state these units start with in terms of firepower (Falls/Obers/Pfuse with G43s).

Jump back to quoted post2 Mar 2015, 21:15 PMAlexzandvar

A vet 5 squad should be more durable than a vet 3 squad because in this instant squad wipe RNG meta that person has probably done a fair bit of micro to keep said squad alive.

If we are talking about Volks, I agree that they should get less veterancy from shreks.

Jump back to quoted post2 Mar 2015, 21:21 PMJHeartless

Yes lets give this to Grens too because...logic

Slippery slope sir. Slippery slope.

Squad whipes and heavy AI are the advantage of Allies. Anti tank is the advantage of Axis. You cant have your cake and eat it too (unless playing OKW currently).

Jump back to quoted post2 Mar 2015, 21:21 PMJHeartless

Yes lets give this to Grens too because...logic

Slippery slope sir. Slippery slope.

Squad whipes and heavy AI are the advantage of Allies. Anti tank is the advantage of Axis. You cant have your cake and eat it too (unless playing OKW currently).

Jump back to quoted post2 Mar 2015, 21:24 PMAlexzandvar

Slippery slope fallacy has no place in balance discussion. But to humor you the reason OKW has 5 levels of vet is to reflect the late war German army and to make the faction more distinct.

Allies AI abilities are no more or less effective based on the vet level of the unit it's shooting at.

Jump back to quoted post2 Mar 2015, 21:34 PMJHeartless

Allies have lots of AI in their ARMOR>>>>HE leads to squad whipes!>>>>>5 levels of vet is needed to make up for squad whipes!>>>>>Grens dont have 5 levels of vet THEY SHOULD!

That is slippery slope.

You are assuming something must be the case because a previous item was true. When in fact 5 levels of Vet are not and never have been "Needed".

Jump back to quoted post2 Mar 2015, 22:07 PMAlexzandvar

If a person puts the effort into getting a Vet 5 squad, they deserve the vet 5 bonus's. It's fairly rare on any unit that's not Volks. And Ostheer doesn't have vet 5 because Ostheer isn't OKW. Not really hard logic to follow.

Jump back to quoted post2 Mar 2015, 21:14 PMWingZero

Why not get rid of the Vet 5 system all together? Vet 5 is just a broken mechanic just like vCOH Wehr was able to purchase Vet 3 on all units.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2015, 08:37 AMOZtheWiZARD

Have you seen what they can do as well? At optimal range, in green cover, they melt infantry like hot knife butter, yet I can read they're worthless from majority of OKW players. At Vet5 they are just insane.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2015, 13:01 PMJaigen

Have you seen the vets of other factions as well then. you complain are not valid vet 5 is balanced because its nearly impossible to reach vet 5 and okw units do not start with vet 5 . volks only become decent when they reach vet 5.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2015, 14:12 PMOZtheWiZARD

Please. I see multiple Vet5 units every 1v1 game.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2015, 14:12 PMOZtheWiZARD

Please. I see multiple Vet5 units every 1v1 game.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2015, 20:59 PMJaigen

You will likely see 1 or 2 vet 5 volks. vet 5 volks are still not really impressive.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2015, 14:12 PMOZtheWiZARD

Please. I see multiple Vet5 units every 1v1 game.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2015, 20:59 PMJaigen

You will likely see 1 or 2 vet 5 volks. vet 5 volks are still not really impressive.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2015, 20:59 PMJaigen

You will likely see 1 or 2 vet 5 volks. vet 5 volks are still not really impressive.