Damn this balance

Jump back to quoted post25 Feb 2015, 23:02 PMImagelessbean

Wow you make it sound almost like allies have a chance in 4v4.

You are correct 1 kubel won't stop 9 squads of inf, expect that even if all 4 players do that you are still at minute 3, and you completely ignore the fact that there are 3 other German players.

The hard hitting allied inf are less impressive in large games, actually, because their window of use is shorter, and the Germans can actually tech to better units quickly.

Also you can't lock down most of the map by minute 8 even if you can the OKW players have bases up you are going to pound your head against. And they lose nothing by having 1 person go stuka to nullify your support weapons.

Con spam and Rifle spam is just about all the allies have and its really not good.

Seriously though you make it sound like allies have the advantage in large games, and they are completely out matched from the word go.

How about 1 kubel, 1 sturmpio, 3 volks backed by 2 MG-42 and 3 grens?

I don't know what you're expecting by telling such fairy tales to rank 3 4v4 OKW player with +36 win streak.

Jump back to quoted post25 Feb 2015, 23:48 PMAlexzandvar

yes I think it's stupid that allies have a stupid easy way to win in the first 8 minutes

Jump back to quoted post25 Feb 2015, 23:57 PMAchtAchter

Your average matchmaking in team games:

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I'm sure this is the reason for 90 % of the balance threads here. If there are even match ups, suddenly all balance bullpudding is gone.

Jump back to quoted post26 Feb 2015, 01:16 AMAlexzandvar

Allies have the early game advantage, you can logic this out pretty easy by looking at starting units.

Jump back to quoted post26 Feb 2015, 01:23 AMMarcoRossolini

Yes, like Sturmpios, the strongest starting infantry in the game by a long way and Kubels, the most mobile and possibly the earliest MG in the game...

I see your logic...

Jump back to quoted post25 Feb 2015, 23:48 PMAlexzandvar

Yeah, those things are going to do a lot of good against 8 rifle squads and 10 con squads, oh wait they aren't because the design of this game makes zero sense. Allies have the early game advantage, thing is, you need to be aggressive to take advantage of that strength and most players don't.

Jump back to quoted post26 Feb 2015, 01:30 AMWingZero

If an army won every game within 5 minutes because of "early game advantage" than we wouldn't have COH2 or a game. The developers made this game so the other army can respond to these "powerful" units.

Your Axis logic is out of control m8.

Jump back to quoted post26 Feb 2015, 01:44 AMelchino7

Lol, hyperbole too much?

For the scenario he describes, it's just 4Rifles + RE + 5 Cons + CE, unless you also want to double up the axis army. Anyway, you generally don't want 2 or more USF players on 4v4.

The real scenario is:

(SP + Kubel + Volks + Truck push + Pio + 1.5Gren + MG)
vs
(RE + 2.33 Rifles + CE + 2.5 Cons)

A little mistake getting supressed, and you are down a squad during the early game. If we take into account the size of the map, you are gonna have problems.

Jump back to quoted post25 Feb 2015, 06:42 AMGhostTX

I love team games and not much a 1v1 player. I'm to the point of just sticking with CoH1 and playing Homeworld when it's released (not a Relic hater), but CoH2, buh-bye. Relic balance team, y'all have a lot of work to do; otherwise, it won't be too long before that searching says "Axis 100%, Allies 0%"

Jump back to quoted post26 Feb 2015, 02:00 AMRollo

Your problem is that you're just another typical US shitter that jumped on board when WFA released that can't even use his own faction properly. If you weren't you would see that balance is a hell of a lot better now than it was in the past.

Allies are anything but UP in teamgames, I'm yet to see a counter for quad rifle company cheese that can completely engulf the map and end the game in under 10 minutes in 4vs4.



I suggest you either git gud or buy homeworld and leave. No one wants to read your blog on the balancing forums.

Jump back to quoted post26 Feb 2015, 03:10 AMMarcoRossolini

Aggression with allies is very easily punished, with the result that all your hard earned gains vanish and the territory you held now has a flaktruck on top of it which you can't kill without significant time and effort.

again, a thread devolved into two factions of people circle jerking each others who agree. except one has a point and the other, talking out of a fat sweaty ass.

Jump back to quoted post26 Feb 2015, 01:23 AMMarcoRossolini

Yes, like Sturmpios, the strongest starting infantry in the game by a long way and Kubels, the most mobile and possibly the earliest MG in the game...

I see your logic...

Jump back to quoted post26 Feb 2015, 03:26 AMAlexzandvar

Well, you just began the shit flinging fest that always happens because people can't back up there arguments and just resort to flame posting.

Jump back to quoted post26 Feb 2015, 03:52 AMpigsoup

axis is never on the back foot unless they let it happen .