Where is USF air superiority?

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 18:36 PMDakkaIsMagic

"Five Tanks for every one of my Panzers, but you always have 6"

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 17:53 PM__deleted__

That said, in the realm of actual scholarly literature, I have not come across about all that many people claiming US armor/AT was somehow impotent in the face of their German counterparts.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 17:35 PMNinjaWJ

you point out things that justify certain abilities and units in the game, and yet it sees only okay for Germans to have them and not USF and Soviets?

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 17:53 PM__deleted__

The majority (2/3s+) of German tanks in the West were lost to fuel/parts shortages, and therefore abandonment rather than kinetic Allied action. That is a point the already quoted Niklas Zetterling nicely makes btw, and where Allied airpower came into its own. Its effect was not so much in the destruction of tanks themselves, but rather in interdiction, destruction of soft-skinned vehicles, etc. which were paramount to keeping actual armor going and supplied. The ordeal of Panzer Lehr in its move to Caen illustrates that German predicament nicely, from the beginning of the Normandy campaign the Germans could only really conduct operational road/rail movement by night lest they risked severe harassment.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 19:00 PMNinjaWJ

i admit that you were referring to someone elses' post, but you have been very rude and blind yourself. i play axis too, but you too fucking lazy to check out more than jsut the main screen. what is with your elitism

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 19:02 PMbraciszek

Makes sense. German armor could only be stopped through indirect methods as mentioned. That doesnt exist in CoH2 because it would be super annoying for someone to deal with. I think before WFA release, OKW functioned in a manner that required a lot of work to keep up in the game? But that mechanic was removed and the advantages remained. :/

USF is very strong in 1v1 and 2v2, but they get weaker within team games where the enemy can hole up and amass armor (in which many people like playing big team games :/ ). USF was not designed for big team games where it most likely loses to common heavy armor...

I blame design once again, and it seems to me that USF was made without Ostheer in mind as well...

I dont see how any of it could be fixed as i expected better from a company that has many years of experience in the matter and had already designed 6 factions prior...

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 18:24 PMJaigen

That doesn't change the fact that the luftwaffe was very active on the eastern front. even in 1944.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 13:47 PMsomenbjorn

Because a) It would be boring and b) less tanks were knocked by airpower than claimed by the airforce. According to Niklas Zetterlings book Normady 1944 only about 7% of destroyed german tanks during the Normandy campaign (circa 1500 in total) can be said to have been knocked by airpower.

In Sledgehammer by Christopher Willbeck he explores the knocked Tigers during operation Goodwood. 13 were lost to airpower, 7 of them by high altitude carpet bombers before Goodwood began. Typhoons knocked 6 of them.

During the entire Operation goodwood the two airwings claimed some 390 knocked tanks. After the battle some 460 heavy German AFVs were standing knocked out on the battlefield, 300 were inspected. 10 had been knocked by airlaunched rockets. 3% of claimed became confirmed.

At Mortain the airforce of the allies claimed about 75 more kills than the germans had tanks.

Basically this myth about rockets from P-47s and Typhoons being the bane of German tankers is nothing more than a myth. AT-guns did the most of the damage both in the east and west.


There is your explanation, it doesn't make sense form a gameplay standpoint nor from an historical one.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 15:12 PMDasDoomTurtle

1) German production levels of 1944 were no less than the previous years, in fact they increased.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 15:12 PMDasDoomTurtle

4) Obersoldaten represent the elite of the elite that were still alive. SS Nord had moved from Finland to the Western Front by end of 1944 (My grandfather had been with them). Sturmtiger did exist and Ostwind did as well.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 18:36 PMDakkaIsMagic

That and Open-top Tank Destroyers were not ideal for some of the urban fighting the U.S. did on their way into germany.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 19:02 PMbraciszek

I think before WFA release, OKW functioned in a manner that required a lot of work to keep up in the game? But that mechanic was removed and the advantages remained. :/

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 21:15 PMKatitof

If by "active" you mean "some supply planes" then you are 100% correct.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 22:46 PMMr. Someguy

That is true, originally you had to set up your trucks in a chain, the first connected to your HQ and the last hopefully on your Fuel. Only sectors with a truck on them gained 100% resources (went up to 200% but I don't remember the specifics) while the rest gave 33%. Your easy-access Panthers and Obersoldaten existed to protect that thin line at all costs.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 18:38 PMsneakking

I can't believe people still think this is true.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 23:27 PMsomenbjorn

But but but, this sounds great! Was it balance or something else that made them remove that idea?

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2015, 15:08 PMsomenbjorn

Then just focus on a) It wouldn't be fun. Skillplanes are currently boring as hell. Adding more will not help the situation. It is better to have the player micro units that click two buttons to counter a threat.