Alright Im just throwing an idea out there... how about we buff P4's armor just a wee bit and increase it's MP cost to like 360. And give Stug more HP, no nerf.
This way, if Jackson does get it's buff to pen at a cost of dmg, it will remain effective vs all Ostheer T3 but more viable vs OKW, and Ostheer T3 will remain relatively equally effective as it is now vs USF/Jackson, but now slightly better vs. everything else.
Edit: also, make the StuG a pure tank destroyer. 2 dual purpose tanks in the same tier doesnt make any sense, and the other vehicle is pure anti inf.
Jackson needs a slight buff
11 Jan 2015, 03:11 AM
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11 Jan 2015, 04:02 AM
#42
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Alright Im just throwing an idea out there... how about we buff P4's armor just a wee bit and increase it's MP cost to like 360. And give Stug more HP, no nerf.Because then it will be impossible for shermans and t34s to take them on. As well as impact already suffering allied infantry at from doing anything.
This way, if Jackson does get it's buff to pen at a cost of dmg, it will remain effective vs all Ostheer T3 but more viable vs OKW, and Ostheer T3 will remain relatively equally effective as it is now vs USF/Jackson, but now slightly better vs. everything else.
Edit: also, make the StuG a pure tank destroyer. 2 dual purpose tanks in the same tier doesnt make any sense, and the other vehicle is pure anti inf.
11 Jan 2015, 05:00 AM
#43
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If your going to buff the Jacksons pen you need to nerf it's damage, it already rips apart Ostheer T3, buffing them would make it even fucking worse.
11 Jan 2015, 06:02 AM
#44
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Higher pen / lower damage would be greatly preferred to be honest, so the Jackson didn't shut down T3 and it was more effective against heavies, which is what you actually usually build them for.
11 Jan 2015, 07:05 AM
#45
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give us pershing.
But, u must have all tiers unlocked to use
As long as building pershing locks out jackson i'm good.Pershing meatshield in front with jackson kiting from back is OP.
11 Jan 2015, 07:08 AM
#46
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Alright Im just throwing an idea out there... how about we buff P4's armor just a wee bit and increase it's MP cost to like 360. And give Stug more HP, no nerf.
This way, if Jackson does get it's buff to pen at a cost of dmg, it will remain effective vs all Ostheer T3 but more viable vs OKW, and Ostheer T3 will remain relatively equally effective as it is now vs USF/Jackson, but now slightly better vs. everything else.
Edit: also, make the StuG a pure tank destroyer. 2 dual purpose tanks in the same tier doesnt make any sense, and the other vehicle is pure anti inf.
Will change nothing.U buffed p4 armor'a bit' but also buffed jackson penetration-cancelled each other out and made jackson the same old 3 shotter it always was ,just more powerful at same price.
11 Jan 2015, 07:21 AM
#47
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As long as building pershing locks out jackson i'm good.Pershing meatshield in front with jackson kiting from back is OP.
U want KT?
As long as building pershing locks out Panther i'm good. KT meatshield in front with Panther's kiting from back is OP.
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
11 Jan 2015, 08:17 AM
#48
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As long as building pershing locks out jackson i'm good.Pershing meatshield in front with jackson kiting from back is OP.
Almost as unstoppable as jacksons kiting from behind an IS2. Except that Axis still somehow dominate team games despite this. Or SU85s behind an IS2 in a 1v1, which we already have. Or Jagdpanzers / panthers behind a KT in team game modes. Or Panthers with tigers.
It is not implicitly unbalanced to have both an effective TD and a meat shield tank in the same faction. In fact it's already in the game all over the place. USF simply lacks a heavy, other factions don't. It's not implicitly unbalanced to add one. It depends on implementation.
11 Jan 2015, 09:44 AM
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Edit: Wrong thread sorry.
Up penetration lower damage and lower reload a bit sounds reasonable to me.
Up penetration lower damage and lower reload a bit sounds reasonable to me.
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11 Jan 2015, 11:23 AM
#50
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U want KT?
As long as building pershing locks out Panther i'm good. KT meatshield in front with Panther's kiting from back is OP.
Panther's don't have 60 range and 240 dmg.And KT plus panther is too costly to have.Jackson at 125 fuel is easy with pershing.
11 Jan 2015, 11:24 AM
#51
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Almost as unstoppable as jacksons kiting from behind an IS2. Except that Axis still somehow dominate team games despite this. Or SU85s behind an IS2 in a 1v1, which we already have. Or Jagdpanzers / panthers behind a KT in team game modes. Or Panthers with tigers.
It is not implicitly unbalanced to have both an effective TD and a meat shield tank in the same faction. In fact it's already in the game all over the place. USF simply lacks a heavy, other factions don't. It's not implicitly unbalanced to add one. It depends on implementation.
Thats team games where resources allow fielding of multiple panthers.In low levelk games it would be end.
11 Jan 2015, 11:49 AM
#52
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Panther's don't have 60 range and 240 dmg.And KT plus panther is too costly to have.Jackson at 125 fuel is easy with pershing.
King Tiger + Jadgpanzer
Sturmtiger + Jadgpanzer
Panther + Jadgpanzer
Panther + Jadgtiger
Panther + Elephnat
Tiger + Panther
Everything within 1 faction so why USF can get Pershing and Jackson?
You have 240dmg and 60 range but no armor, low hp, medium penetration.
On the other hand you hvae 160dmg, 60 trange, great armor and very good penetration (Jadgpanzer).
11 Jan 2015, 12:56 PM
#53
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Last night Jacksons were penetrating my KT in the front...
11 Jan 2015, 13:10 PM
#54
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Last night Jacksons were penetrating my KT in the front...
Why wouldn't they? Why people act like panther/tiger/KT/ele/JT had some kind of black hole eating all shells going in frontally and are surprised when these get penned by AT?
There is 37% chance they will.
Such TD, much power.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
11 Jan 2015, 13:42 PM
#55
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Why wouldn't they? Why people act like panther/tiger/KT/ele/JT had some kind of black hole eating all shells going in frontally and are surprised when these get penned by AT?
There is 37% chance they will.
Such TD, much power.
Once in 1v1 my almost dead E8 bounced pak40 shell. It was only 1 bounce from my E8.
I was so surprised when this guy has complained about that bounce.
Like his Tigers were not bouncing 57mm and E8 all the time.
This is showing Axis players attitude "my tanks should have godmode, but yours can not bounce my shells"
11 Jan 2015, 13:46 PM
#56
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Increase pen and lower damage and fix pathfinding along with ultra blitz....I'm sick of all the bounces on heavies and panthers while they YOLOBlitz in and rape everything
11 Jan 2015, 13:52 PM
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You have 240dmg and 60 range but no armor, low hp, medium penetration.
On the other hand you hvae 160dmg, 60 trange, great armor and very good penetration (Jadgpanzer).
10 more penetration at max range is "very good"?
The Jackson has lower health/armor, yes, but it wouldn't matter if there was a meatshield tank in front of it.
I think buffing the Jacksons' penetration and reducing damage to 160 would be the best option. It wouldn't annihilate Ostheer T3 that much anymore and became more reliable vs heavier armor.
11 Jan 2015, 14:00 PM
#58
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10 more penetration at max range is "very good"?
The Jackson has lower health/armor, yes, but it wouldn't matter if there was a meatshield tank in front of it.
I think buffing the Jacksons' penetration and reducing damage to 160 would be the best option. It wouldn't annihilate Ostheer T3 that much anymore and became more reliable vs heavier armor.
Yes, it is very good.
Don't look at numbers. Look at armors that Jadgpanzer has to deal with and what armors Jackson has to.
11 Jan 2015, 14:36 PM
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Yes, it is very good.
Don't look at numbers. Look at armors that Jadgpanzer has to deal with and what armors Jackson has to.
Well, they both have to deal with the same armor actually. Light/medium armor until heavy tanks arrive.
Unfortunately, Jacksons will have to fight heavy armor all the time whereas Jagdpanzers will only have to do so vs Soviets.
11 Jan 2015, 14:50 PM
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Well, they both have to deal with the same armor actually. Light/medium armor until heavy tanks arrive.
Unfortunately, Jacksons will have to fight heavy armor all the time whereas Jagdpanzers will only have to do so vs Soviets.
And that's the point. Jackson will struggle against Tiger, Panther, Jadgtiger, King Tiger. Even Jadgpanzer eats Jackson.
What about Jadgpanzer? It has hard time only vs IS2 and ISU while it will penetrate at max range almost all USF vehicles. It has "only" 79% to penetrate E8 at max range.
Penetration value is similar, yes, but it's about enemy's units. Jadgpanzer is powerful vs everything.
Jackson is powerful only vs medium.
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