tying upgrades to veterancy and removing stupid vet bonuses

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2014, 13:39 PMpugzii

I love CoH, and I especially love The Early/Mid game..

Late game for me just becomes Command & Conquer style game play (A-Move, huge blobbing etc).

I have always wondered in CoH, why they don't tie upgrades to veterancy.. it would give the idea and reason to keeping units alive more important and would increase the awesomeness of getting your units to high levels of veterancy.

At the moment Vet gives units things like received accuracy deductions etc which just turns units into Attack-Move zombies with no care for cover what-so-ever.

This could also work for tanks, for example a T34 when it gets to Vet1 could get RAM, then at Vet2 could get an increased shell-loader mechanism to increase fire-rate, and then at Vet3 could upgrade its gun to 85MM.. infantry would follow the same path.. Grenadiers would get Heal at Vet1, Improved Armour at Vet2 and then MG42 at Vet3... these upgrades would cost munitions of course, but less then it currently costs...

thoughts?

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2014, 15:31 PMThe Silver Sage

Yeah I like this idea, I used to always wait for the veteran bonus to accuracy that you get at vet 2 etc. before upgrading units with weapons. I know this veterancy mechanic has been integral to both Coh1 and 2 as well as DoW2 but sometimes it makes the game feel very unsatisfying especially long range combat. Who cares about cover etc. when you have enough received accuracy bonus that you can dodge small arms fire like Neo from the Matrix? As you said it kind of ruins late game engagements.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2014, 16:24 PMJHeartless

You mean Vet 5 Volks?



Or vet 5 Obers?

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2014, 20:36 PMferwiner

I still don't understand why they decided to change armour into received accurancy on all units but shocks. It rewards blobbing so much. I mean their calculations are true only when the unit is shot by gun with 1 penetration. But if it was armour all HMGs apart from maxim (maxim too but very little) would benefit from their penetration, I mean thar DShK, .50 cal and MG42 are underperforming right now because of that (they have penetration they cannot use against infantry) and that is the true reason why we can see all the blob play from all factions right now.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2014, 21:47 PMMr. Someguy

Machine gun penetration came after infantry armour was removed. On March 25th, Received Accuracy replaced Infantry Armour on all units except Shock Troops (who literally do have armour plates on them, if you look closely). One month later on April 24th, Machine Guns were given higher armour penetration values over regular weapons. MG Penetration never had any effect on Infantry Armour except Shock Troops and for a brief time, Obersoldaten and Jaeger Light Infantry, who still had armour values by mistake.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2014, 21:47 PMMr. Someguy

Machine gun penetration came after infantry armour was removed. On March 25th, Received Accuracy replaced Infantry Armour on all units except Shock Troops (who literally do have armour plates on them, if you look closely). One month later on April 24th, Machine Guns were given higher armour penetration values over regular weapons. MG Penetration never had any effect on Infantry Armour except Shock Troops and for a brief time, Obersoldaten and Jaeger Light Infantry, who still had armour values by mistake.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2014, 22:06 PMferwiner

I know it, still this is a good idea to buff those underperforming MGs, and also MGs are only the one example, others are tanks, ptrs, 222, basically all weapons with more than 1 penetration value have hard time killing infantry because of that. If it was intended then well, blobs were intended too, if it wasn't thought of maybe it's sth to change.