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Jaigen
16 Nov 2014, 12:31 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Nov 2014, 09:36 AMMr. Someguy
My proposal is to hit 2 birds with one stone.

Move Panzerschrecks to Sturmpioneers as they originally were. But also let the starting Sturm squad begin with a free Panzerschreck in hand. Not only does this reduce Anti-Infantry firepower on the starting unit, but it gives OKW an early counter to the fast M3 / WC.


and how are the volks going to scale then? without shreks they lose all purpose
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kamk
16 Nov 2014, 12:41 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Nov 2014, 12:31 PMJaigen


and how are the volks going to scale then? without shreks they lose all purpose

I had the same thought.

Why not just decreasing accuracy and pen on long range, so the famous blob becomes less useful, but actual positioning and tactics will still be the same for them?

Seriously, i think slight changes would be the better choice.
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Katitof
16 Nov 2014, 12:54 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Nov 2014, 12:31 PMJaigen


and how are the volks going to scale then? without shreks they lose all purpose


Like conscripts?

Oh wait, they scale much better even without shrecks.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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elchino7
16 Nov 2014, 13:21 PM
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☭ Калашникова ☭
16 Nov 2014, 14:12 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Nov 2014, 12:54 PMKatitof


Like conscripts?

Oh wait, they scale much better even without shrecks.


Give them lmg34 and see how 'bad' they scale lol =D
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Jaigen
16 Nov 2014, 17:47 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Nov 2014, 12:54 PMKatitof


Like conscripts?

Oh wait, they scale much better even without shrecks.


Conscripts will win vs volks in mid short range. second : at nades combined with oorah is one hell of a combination. third: i consider the molotov to be vastly superior because it can deny the enemy from using buildings. merge has less uses but i still see it being used.

take away the shreks and volks only have sandbags left. suffice to say even considering removing the volks shrek is absurd. thats why you look absurd and this thread is absurd.
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Mr. Someguy
16 Nov 2014, 19:54 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Nov 2014, 12:31 PMJaigen
and how are the volks going to scale then? without shreks they lose all purpose


Give them some sort of automatic weapons upgrade, but that's another story.
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BeefSurge
17 Nov 2014, 04:14 AM
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All we need is a 30% range nerf, and +30% incoming accuracy on any Volk weilding a Shrek.

Also, it would be cool if PzGrens and Riflemen had a "Target Weak Point" kind of ability for their AT weapons.
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Volsky
17 Nov 2014, 07:47 AM
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Add Sappers with PIATs so I can run rings around hedges and shot blockers and piss off all the babby baddies while I poke their heavies to death, and I'll call it even.
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Mr. Someguy
17 Nov 2014, 08:48 AM
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Oh man, I hated PIAT's. They couldn't hit anything more than 5 meters away.
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BabaRoga
17 Nov 2014, 10:05 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Nov 2014, 08:48 AMMr. Someguy
Oh man, I hated PIAT's. They couldn't hit anything more than 5 meters away.


True, but once they had vet 3 captain/Lt. Those piat's became like homing mini-nuke AT weapons from 3rd world war. (and it wasn't to difficult to promote those)
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ThoseDeafMutes
17 Nov 2014, 10:41 AM
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Piats were god tier. They could do indirect fire over hedges and obstacles and with an LT or 3 they became super accurate.
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17 Nov 2014, 10:51 AM
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Anyone saying that PIATs sucked has to remember the allmighty Roo Spam.
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And God is saying 'No. These people will deal with me alone.'

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Katitof
17 Nov 2014, 12:20 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Nov 2014, 08:48 AMMr. Someguy
Oh man, I hated PIAT's. They couldn't hit anything more than 5 meters away.


And yet seemed to be laser guided when used from roos.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Unshavenbackman
17 Nov 2014, 19:59 PM
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Dont know if this has been said as the thread is long. But would it be better if Okw had to get 2 shrecks like ostheer? I rarely go for pgs as my at as the munitioncost is to high on a squad thats so fragile.
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drChengele
17 Nov 2014, 20:41 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Nov 2014, 19:59 PMUnshavenbackman
Dont know if this has been said as the thread is long. But would it be better if Okw had to get 2 shrecks like ostheer? I rarely go for pgs as my at as the munitioncost is to high on a squad thats so fragile.
I think it would make it worse for everyone involved, including OKW.

First of all the first Schreck upgrade would come MUCH later. 4-5 minutes later or so. Thus completely negating the early game deterrent potential. Remember, Raketenwerfer sucks vs light vehicles and OKW have no snares.

Then, late game, once the player accumulates the ammo, Volks Schreck blobs would be even more insanely overpowered.
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Mr. Someguy
17 Nov 2014, 21:15 PM
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Agreed, the best option is still to take Schrecks off of Volks and re-purpose Volks as light Infantry. Until that happens, OKW will remain fundamentally broken. Unfortunately I seriously doubt Relic has any interest in fixing it, they will do anything but admit they made a bad design choice. They'll sooner nerf Schrecks to AT rifle level than admit they made a mistake, just look at our history with the Soviet faction...
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carloff
17 Nov 2014, 21:30 PM
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Fuck shrecks and Volks. Give allies tools to deal with siegheil panzers. The problem is not the shrecks - problem is out that "box".
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NinjaWJ
17 Nov 2014, 23:22 PM
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best solution i think:

1. move schreck to sturmpios
2. Buff raketen
3. (optional) give Volks some kinda automatic weapons package or panzerfaust
jump backJump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 15:19 PMAlexzandvar
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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ThoseDeafMutes
17 Nov 2014, 23:39 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Nov 2014, 12:20 PMKatitof


And yet seemed to be laser guided when used from roos.


Utterly stupid expansion pack. And I feel like what they learned from it was that people absolutely were willing to pay money for extra units to slot into a faction, paving the way for the current commander model.
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