OKW Puma

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 09:16 AMBurts

Nerfing the puma would not make it useless.


Also, you can get all tiers, and it's actually a good idea to get all tiers as OKW, unlike for the soviets.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 09:20 AMSlaYoU

I agree.

Also, i think Puma could very well stand toe to toe with a Sherman, let's compare the costs:

Sherman 340 mp / 110 fu
Puma 320 mp / 105 fu (70 + 50%, OKW fuel income reduction).

Not that big of a difference, the result of such a fight should be determined by microgestion quality of the players involved. The two units are very different in their role and design, so it could very well be 50/50. Do you feel you destroy shermans more than 50% of the time Barton ?

(i used the numbers of the USF forces guide, i don't own the faction, thus can't check the prices of the sherman ingame).

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 09:41 AMCabreza

I should point out that the OKW receive 66% of fuel income not 50%. As has been said before OKW also have comparably cheaper tech costs compared to all other factions.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 09:20 AMSlaYoU

I agree.

Also, i think Puma could very well stand toe to toe with a Sherman, let's compare the costs:

Sherman 340 mp / 110 fu
Puma 320 mp / 105 fu (70 + 50%, OKW fuel income reduction).

Not that big of a difference, the result of such a fight should be determined by microgestion quality of the players involved. The two units are very different in their role and design, so it could very well be 50/50. Do you feel you destroy shermans more than 50% of the time Barton ?

(i used the numbers of the USF forces guide, i don't own the faction, thus can't check the prices of the sherman ingame).

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 09:45 AMHFSzsoci

This is not 50%, not 66%, is circa 70% in avarage 1v1 map, at 50-50% mapcontroll, HQ give the same value for everyone.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 09:46 AMKatitof

This is true only if you don't converse fuel, conveniently puma gets out of conversion truck.

Also, you can't say it costs more, 70 fuel is 70 fuel regardless of income, because both sides don't sit on 50% of the map whole game, its much more dynamic then that.

There is also teching cost involved, which practically does not exist for the first truck due to starting fuel allowing almost immediate placement.

So yes, the difference is there and its significant.
Unless you want to argue that 5 min puma costs almost as much as 14 min sherman.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 09:47 AMSlaYoU

?? Either i don't understand what u mean, or something has been changed (and i don't know about it). Do you mean OKW has no fuel income reduction ?

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 09:52 AMSlaYoU

You are right i didn't take teching costs into account (and munition conversion for that matter). But 70 fuel is more for OKW than for any other faction. This can't be denied, since by design every standard point and fuel point gives 66% of what it should give. It's just the same problem with Axis players claiming that their armor is too weak when compared to Soviets' one, when Soviets have overall weaker AT capability to oppose them. Assymetrical design in all it's glory.

PS: infact since you bring the mapcontrol dynamic changes, i also remind you that OKW has arguably the weaker early game out of the 4 factions currently featured, so early fuel means a lot more to the faction. Again, i don't rant about faction balance, i'm just comparing units costs (Sherman // Puma). That's why i ask Barton what's the usual winning % of Puma vs Sherman encounters in his games.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 10:31 AMHFSzsoci

The transfer is for every 4 muni you gain 1 fuel, for the amount of your half muni income, yes? This is 25% conversion rate, i dont like, Puma itself use smoke for 30muni, the target weak points(or some other named turret paralyzed skill) is 45 muni, mines, nades, schrecks, g43, flare, off map artys, buff abiltiys etc. comes with muni too, i dont think, everyone, everytime use this transfers...

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 10:16 AMBartonPL

With puma I beat sherman in like 80% cases, depending on howe good opponent is or did i flanked him or he flanked me, but usually puma will fire few shots before it's near dead and then smoke pop out and back to base for repairs, it happened to me to lose puma when I flanked 2 sherman but even then i killed one and left another with 5% hp.


About economy... OKW has 100% muni and 66% fuel, when it transfers muni to fuel it's 66% muni and 100% fuel, while OKW doesnt need so much muni (only shrecks are expensive) then nearly everyone gets 100% fuel.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2014, 07:52 AMBartonPL

Am i the only one that sees this unit overperforming too much? not only it has longer firing range than other common units like T34 but also has insta smoke ability and this "jammed turret" vet 1 ability which is win button, also it has super reload time, had game where with one Puma I killed Shermans with E.Z.


Any opinions? and pls dont tell me it's balanced cuz it costs moar than ostheer Puma