US troops vs HMG

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2014, 10:58 AMCruzz

The only real issue MG42s have against US is that the smokenades are just way too spammable. You don't need to aim them particularly well because they block MG42s from firing in a huge radius around the effect. Suppression rate, pin rate and damage are all good already, its only against sprinting units (hi conscripts) that mg42s have some issues due to gun traverse speed and weird targeting behavior around the edges of the firing cone. USF doesn't have sprinters.

You can't hold off an infantry blob with just an MG42, you need a forward spotter so it starts firing before the riflemen fire back at it (and likely instakill the gunner). But I don't think this is a requirement that needs to go away.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2014, 00:31 AMVetLolcake

US blob is a SEVERE issue atm. attack move and win. Same as soviets.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2014, 15:39 PMKamfrenchie

hmgs are in general too easy to kill from the front even when set up. it's ok if you catch it setting up and you're close, but otherwise, either US blob or some veteran german troops can just slaughter the hmg crew too fast.

Is it possible to give the mg crew additionnal defense from shots coming from inside their cone of fire ? i think it ould solve part of the problem.

But overall i think it's a general problem with killing power being too high for many units, like lmg riflemen and paras, obers and sometimes sturmpios or falls

Also, KT always hitting 57mm atguns and destroying it in 2 hits.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2014, 16:11 PMBidet

So you want 240 req counter 1000+ req + 100+ ammo right?


be serious 1 second please, even if the hmg is the hardcounter, you can't exepect this

in this situation hmg are just here to slow down the blob while your army is back, not a terminator pewpewsquad of death

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2014, 16:11 PMBidet

So you want 240 req counter 1000+ req + 100+ ammo right?


be serious 1 second please, even if the hmg is the hardcounter, you can't exepect this

in this situation hmg are just here to slow down the blob while your army is back, not a terminator pewpewsquad of death

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2014, 15:39 PMKamfrenchie

But overall i think it's a general problem with killing power being too high for many units, like lmg riflemen and paras, obers and sometimes sturmpios or falls

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2014, 17:53 PMOZtheWiZARD

No, I want bad play to be punished. Blobing shouldn't be rewarding in any way. I don't mind 2 sqads taking out HMG due to successful flank but I want a blob going straight on on MG42 position to be punished. No matter how big the blob is.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2014, 17:53 PMOZtheWiZARD

No, I want bad play to be punished. Blobing shouldn't be rewarding in any way. I don't mind 2 sqads taking out HMG due to successful flank but I want a blob going straight on on MG42 position to be punished. No matter how big the blob is.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2014, 20:34 PMBidet

no you can't balance the game like this because hmg cost ONLY 240

all i see is a german player, who just want to lock an army with only 240 req. Your 240req hmg is just overwhelmed by a bigger force, thats all, hmg can already counter 2x their price, and i'm ok with it, but don't expect to lock all the map with 240req unit wich require no skill to be used

your hmg is overwhelmed? fall back and bring your force, HMG already slow your enemy advance, and its the goal.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2014, 03:22 AMCyridius

What I'm surprised nobody's complaining about is Riflemen getting smoke. It's the best set-up team counter in the game(When they're outside of buildings - Then it's just a delaying tactic). Smoke 'em, run up, nade 'em and they'll either retreat or when the smoke falls off you just kill them.