US troops vs HMG

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2014, 20:34 PMBidet

no you can't balance the game like this because hmg cost ONLY 240

all i see is a german player, who just want to lock an army with only 240 req. Your 240req hmg is just overwhelmed by a bigger force, thats all, hmg can already counter 2x their price, and i'm ok with it, but don't expect to lock all the map with 240req unit wich require no skill to be used

your hmg is overwhelmed? fall back and bring your force, HMG already slow your enemy advance, and its the goal.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2014, 20:59 PMBrachiaraidos

Like it or not, no matter how little skill is put into it your opponent is throwing 1000+ manpower and untold munitions at a fight. I don't give a toss how amazingly you micro your one gren squad and your HMG, that is a massive force that needs to be engaged with similar numbers.

Would you feel better if they all came in groups of two five feet apart? Because no amount of micro is going to be worth investing if all you want to do is punch through a relatively weak defense.

You can yell 'omg blob' all you want. You were heavily outnumbered, you lost for that reason alone.

Next time, use your clearly superior micro to hit the blob from two sides, or lure them into MG's in green cover (MG's being plural, not one. Two MG42 in green will blob control any size of blob)

Believe it or not, overwhelming an MG is not actually a 'mistake' that needs punished. It's just a fight. A very simple one called 'I shoot more bullets from all these guys than your MG42 can'

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2014, 23:01 PMOZtheWiZARD

So what if he's throwing 1000 manpower? If he's willing to throw 1000 mp away by just marching into supported MG up front then be my guest. I'll take it. CoH2 is all about counters and HMG should be a hard counter to a blob. US MG does that, Maxim does that as well (it requires some micro however but I'm fine with that) but German MGs don't and I don't think that's fair.
If he flanks me with that army. Yes of course I should loose but if he just walks into MG emplacement hes army should be thorn into pieces. If that's not the case then it will only encourage more blobing because why flank if I can just walk into it and win every time.
As an example you wouldn't throw 1000mp worth of infantry against KV8 would you?

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2014, 23:09 PMTimeKilla

Remember WW1 and shouts of over the top then hundreds of soldiers walking/running into MG fire and sometimes overrunning MG's with sheer numbers if you have enough troops then dont see no reason why MG cannot be overran if you're willing to take casualties as a result.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2014, 23:40 PMBrachiaraidos

Hard counters are not by default completely immune and untouchable by the thing they counter.

You have 240mp, possible 480, in an MG and a gren squad. 1400MP arrives in 5 rifle squads with 600 Muni of BAR rifles.

No, you do not get to 'expect to win' that.

You just don't.

I can kill a Jagdtiger with 1000 fuel's worth of T-70's, too. Just because you hard counter does not mean you cannot be overwhelmed.

If your force is vastly, vastly smaller and flanking would take time or effort, simply blowing your face off is a perfectly viable tactic. The fact that blobbers do it inadvertently is a small footnote.

MG's are magical 'all infantry please go away' buttons.

Throwing 1000MP worth of infantry at a KV8 will also mean a dead KV8 so long as that infantry has any AT capable weaponry, yes. Say, three shrecked Pgren squads. Tasty dead KV8 lunch.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2014, 10:33 AMUmbert

Agreed.

It is so frustrating to see them slowly walking to the MG after the gunner got shot, then standing up taking a look around, kneeling down checking the munitions belt and then starts to shoot. Please shorten this animation/setup time.

And add some more multipliers for each unit in its firing arc. So the MG either suppresses "harder" or kills more if a busload of people are in front of it.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2014, 23:40 PMBrachiaraidos

Throwing 1000MP worth of infantry at a KV8 will also mean a dead KV8 so long as that infantry has any AT capable weaponry, yes. Say, three shrecked Pgren squads. Tasty dead KV8 lunch.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2014, 23:40 PMBrachiaraidos

I can kill a Jagdtiger with 1000 fuel's worth of T-70's, too. Just because you hard counter does not mean you cannot be overwhelmed.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jul 2014, 07:33 AMbämbabäm

This proves that you have never seen blob of 3 Schrecked PGrens frontally attacking a KV-8...




If you blob them and attack it from the front, your T70 will be nice little campfires before you can say "holy sh*t, that was a bad idea", if the JT has a spotter. Which is equivalent to Oz' scenario with MGH + spotting Gren. These T70 only win if you attack from all sides. Which is what should be neccessary when attacking HMGs.

Hell... you proved your own point wrong with your argument...

Jump back to quoted post1 Jul 2014, 02:10 AMThoseDeafMutes

IMO MGs should automatically get a "free reload" (without any animation) if there have been no enemies in it's LoS in the last 30 seconds (or X amount of time, exact value not important). That would prevent the irritating problem of "Omg enemy spotted! *fires 5 rounds and then has to reload*" that sometimes happens, without requiring a manual reload button.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jul 2014, 22:31 PMBidet

you just forgot something : kv8 and tiger don't cost 240 req