Rifle Grenades

Jump back to quoted post6 Apr 2014, 18:32 PMPuppetmaster

Ever done this with a Molotov because I never have. Notice how I wasn't even the arc of the maxim and there for not suppressed and yet I squad wiped it with 1 rifle grenade. Granted the men won't normally stack like that but even so. This is the issue I have with the rifle grenade. Range is too good and does too much damage. If the range was reduced while suppressed like many have suggested, it wouldn't have made any difference in that situation.

Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2014, 07:01 AMCruzz

I'm sorry I don't like the glorious tactical side of the game of fighting against hordes of ubermensch grenadiers with 5 different gimmicky soviet units and still losing because the A-move is strong.

Have fun, I know I wasn't having it this patch.

Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2014, 07:04 AMNEVEC

WOW! No luck man, but actually rifle nade is too easy way to kill/damage mg crew from range, and of course rifle nade need nerf.

Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2014, 07:14 AM__deleted__

Saw same result obtained with a molotov on a low-health 4 men gren squad that were automatically clumped in order to stay in cover, just as in this video. Nothing unusual tbh.

Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2014, 07:22 AMPuppetmaster

How is a 4 man gren squad on low health equal to a full health 6 man mg squad at range? It's funny that even when there is evidence of something showing a german unit or ability being too good or strong, you still defend it. I suppose you will tell me I am a soviet fanboy as well?

Also since when was playing at the bottom of the ladder hard as any team? Try playing against decent opponents.

Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2014, 04:15 AMVonIvan

I think the biggest problem with maxims getting one shot'd by rifle nades is the way they tend to move themselves into a bunched up position. Rifle nades used against stolen mg42s barely do anything(only kill the front man) because the mg42 members are usually spread out well. If the Maxim had it's squad members spread out similarly to the mg42, or in a way that doesn't cause them to bunch up most of the time, then the rifle nade wouldn't be as big of a problem imo.

Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2014, 08:56 AMbämbabäm

I don't see why the frontal Gren attack on a Maxim + Rifel Nade is worse than Ooorah right into the face of an MG42 + Molo.

You can prevent both by supporting your MG (scout for it) so it pins earlier.

Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2014, 04:15 AMVonIvan

I think the biggest problem with maxims getting one shot'd by rifle nades is the way they tend to move themselves into a bunched up position. Rifle nades used against stolen mg42s barely do anything(only kill the front man) because the mg42 members are usually spread out well. If the Maxim had it's squad members spread out similarly to the mg42, or in a way that doesn't cause them to bunch up most of the time, then the rifle nade wouldn't be as big of a problem imo.

Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2014, 07:14 AM__deleted__

Saw same result obtained with a molotov on a low-health 4 men gren squad that were automatically clumped in order to stay in cover, just as in this video. Nothing unusual tbh.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2014, 14:09 PMVonIvan

This is a tough issue, though I do support the rifle nade suppression idea I think there should be some exceptions to this rule like: G43s are able to shoot rifle nades while suppressed because they simply stick the grenade onto the top of the rifle and shoot it, therefore they don't need to crouch. Maybe when suppressed they are only able to fire at a very short distance, rather than a long one.

Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2014, 04:15 AMVonIvan

I think the biggest problem with maxims getting one shot'd by rifle nades is the way they tend to move themselves into a bunched up position. Rifle nades used against stolen mg42s barely do anything(only kill the front man) because the mg42 members are usually spread out well. If the Maxim had it's squad members spread out similarly to the mg42, or in a way that doesn't cause them to bunch up most of the time, then the rifle nade wouldn't be as big of a problem imo.

Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2014, 16:08 PMBurts

some people don't seem to understand the problem.

Lets say we have a conscript squad. And an Mg-42 with a gren squad.

Oorah molotov costs the same as the riflegrenade , however, while getting close, conscripts will take considerable damage and will lose atleast 3 crewmembers. Lets say that is 60 manpower.
At best, they can kill 2 crewmembers, often , they wont kill anything.

Now lets say we have a grenadier approaching a maxmim,while 1 conscript squad is gaurding it. Maxim surpresses grenadiers, and grenadiers fire rifle nade. They kill 3 men, which is 45 manpower. And grens retreat with probaly no losses ( might have lost one).
So there you have it folks, that is the problem. Grenadiers can assault maxim and inflict manpower losses while losing no manpower, while soviets can assault an mg for and cause some manpower losses, but probaly taking more while doing so.