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13 Sep 2015, 19:49 PM
#181
13 Sep 2015, 20:10 PM
#182
avatar of Hogman512

Posts: 168

Yup +1.

Changing the commanders so a choice unlocks a few other tree's & linked bulletins maybe? is the best way for sure.
13 Sep 2015, 20:16 PM
#183
avatar of Stafkeh
Patrion 14

Posts: 1006

Big +1. I hope Relic sees this, and actually takes a look into it :snfQuinn:
13 Sep 2015, 22:13 PM
#184
avatar of pigsoup
Patrion 14

Posts: 4301 | Subs: 2

commanders for TBF,USF and OKW all feel evolutionary to the ones for vcoh2 factions. quality over quantities.

for me, the vcoh2 commanders are the main thing that makes the game feel outdated.
13 Sep 2015, 22:18 PM
#185
avatar of Mr. Someguy

Posts: 4928

jump backJump back to quoted post30 Jul 2014, 13:21 PMKatitof
I also remember them saying no during one of QA sessions, can't remember if it was stream one or reddit one, but I'm 100% positive they have confirmed they will not alter old commanders in any other way then adjusting effectiveness or existing abilities.


That went out the window a bit now that they took the P4 out of one and removing Irregulars in another.
13 Sep 2015, 22:31 PM
#186
avatar of Whoa

Posts: 64

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
13 Sep 2015, 22:41 PM
#187
avatar of Katitof

Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8



That went out the window a bit now that they took the P4 out of one and removing Irregulars in another.

That was in context of soviet and ost first 3 months commanders.
Not much changes there, don't you think?
13 Sep 2015, 22:52 PM
#188
avatar of jeesuspietari

Posts: 168

I agree and approve of the suggestion

It's not looking at vcoh through rose tinted glasses - it's just that this is a better way to implement doctrines
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13 Sep 2015, 23:40 PM
#189
avatar of nee

Posts: 1216

While I like the idea of ability trees as they were in CoH1, I'm sure Relic's not going to budge on such a drastic revamp.

If anything, it's enough of a challenge to just replace some of the dumber/ redundant abilities in certain commanders with revamped versions of said abilities, with less common ones, or entirely new ones.
13 Sep 2015, 23:45 PM
#190
avatar of hhhhh

Posts: 85 | Subs: 1

Loving this idea. :)

+1
14 Sep 2015, 01:12 AM
#191
avatar of Dr. Green Thumb

Posts: 132

+1

Commanders have always been poorly implemented. Needs to change.
14 Sep 2015, 05:30 AM
#192
avatar of Remo

Posts: 111

jump backJump back to quoted post21 Nov 2013, 09:10 AMNullist
Good in theory, but need to be careful not to inadvertently make some Commanders too good.


There are already specific commanders that are too good. That's why you don't see most of the commanders shown here. Basilone's image instead makes all of those commanders he changed viable and unique, they all fill a role, and I don't see a single one that's bad unlike the way they are currently situated where only a few Soviet commanders are useful.

As for this idea as a whole, Relic has been reading and responding on these forums, how much you wanna bet they ignore this thread and never even take this into account. Even though it needs to be done they won't do it. Soviet commanders will continue to be a jumbled mess.
14 Sep 2015, 06:34 AM
#193
avatar of ThoseDeafMutes

Posts: 1026

The new system of six commanders for the new factions with minimal overlap is an improvement, but realistically I still find the commander loadout system worse than the COH1 style 3 doctrines with 2 branches each.
14 Sep 2015, 12:00 PM
#194
avatar of samich

Posts: 205

considering this post went up late 2013, i wouldn't hold out much hope guys.

Although for what its worth i totes agree
14 Sep 2015, 12:04 PM
#195
avatar of KyleAkira

Posts: 410

+1 for this post.
14 Sep 2015, 12:09 PM
#196
avatar of Iron Emperor

Posts: 1653

Relic change it Please!!!
14 Sep 2015, 14:50 PM
#197
avatar of J1N6666

Posts: 306

I always love it when this thread gets necroed and so many people support it.

But hey, it's gonna get change real soon, am I right? It's only been 2 years.
14 Sep 2015, 14:57 PM
#198
avatar of Keaper!
Donator 11

Posts: 135

I think Relic is pretty content to just let those commanders sit there and gather dust. I'd love to see an overhaul to the system and some consolidation, but it might be too much to hope for. Maybe they'd get the motivation to do it if they could monetize it.
14 Sep 2015, 15:12 PM
#199
avatar of Jaedrik

Posts: 446 | Subs: 2

There's nothing inherently wrong with role or ability overlap.
What matters is that commanders fill their roles in unique, interesting ways, which can be done even in cases where 4/5 abilities are shared, and can be done with a linear unlock.
But, other than that, +1 to OP. There're some abilities that are too shared, some that aren't shared enough, and so much balance being neglected.
8 Jul 2017, 08:12 AM
#200
avatar of WhiteFlash
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Posts: 1295 | Subs: 1

Relic has been soliciting suggestions, asking what COH1 and COH2 did better. It seems relevant to resurrect this thread to draw some attention to it in the hopes that Relic sees and understands what it represents.
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