The Trailer looked bad. Very sad, lets hope relic has miracle workers. But TBH. its a miracle already that relic is still in business.
if people like you only pay in pennies, no wonder
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The Trailer looked bad. Very sad, lets hope relic has miracle workers. But TBH. its a miracle already that relic is still in business.
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if people like you only pay in pennies, no wonder
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Yes, she tries so hard that she added the Black Prince. For what? The faction would have worked fine without the Black Prince. If Relic really wanted to try that instead of another Germany, the faction would be Italy without heavy tanks. With asymmetrical balance.
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The Black Prince is World of Tanks when the gaps in balance or design are filled with a paper tank. Is the Company of Heroes historically accurate, of course not. But this did not deviate from the canons of the Second World War. I repeat once again: if you want fancy stuff, go to an alternative history, there you can make at least the E-100 / E-75 / Tiger-2 with a 105-mm gun, no one will forbid you from this and will not tell you any pretensions. But you took the Second World War, so you agreed its limitations. I don’t see something that the Company of Heroes would be positioned as an alternative history yet. How the hell do you get the Black Prince out of the game.
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So why do we already have infrared stg44 or ostwind wich 40 of them have been made. I don't get the rant about the black prince. Like if you want historical accuraccy go study history in university. The idea of the Blcak Prince get into an acceptable range of WW2 fantasy, beacause keep in mind that coh games are WW2 fantasy, nothing else. Because playing a platton of mixed heavy tanks and a few infantry is already alternate history, the battles you have in coh games would never be a thing during WW2. So either you want an historicly accurate game wich I respect such as MoW, or SD, or you want some fun like CoH.
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Big difference. STG-44 with infrared sight and Ostwind were used in combat (and the Soviet camouflage Palma-44, which is on the model of the Soviet sniper, was specially created to counter infrared sights, because ordinary clothes glow in these sights). The Black Prince is not. It's obvious, and I don't understand why you are asking this question. Yes, for a variety of games, you have to take weapons that were created by a small number. For example, if Super Pershing were added to the game, it would not break the canons. One single Super Pershing was sent to the front and participated in the battle. Black Prince, T-44 are tanks that were created during the war but did not participate in the war, their participation is an alternative history.
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I'm going to buy the game, but expect that it will be buggy. There were more cringe-worthy parts of the video than the Calliope. They bragged about infantry riding on tanks, then showed video of the infantry suspended in mid-air next to the two tanks as the tanks were moving. Then the tanks started phasing through each other, like some cross between WWII and Harry Potter. It did bother me a bit that they would brag about something that poorly executed.
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What i don't like about this discussion is that relic at least tries to make some kind of next Gen RTS.
i mean ,look at tempest rising. another Rock paper Scissors lameduck with toy tanks and clone animations and 90s gameplay, just like evry other RTS in the last 15 years
Relic is the only RTS dev who builds this kind of atmospheric and vivid battlefield experience, not even total war gets this kind of atmosphere.
and i thank relic for that.
the real problems are mobile gamers, CoD buyers witcher only players etc.
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if people like you only pay in pennies, no wonder
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For those who say Black Prince is fine, good luck after Relic decided to put Maus or any other equally ridiculous unit, which "fits ww2 theme". And funny enough, Maus could be added using the exact same logic. Prototypes were built during the war and they were some what operational, just like Black Prince.
Adding Black Prince, basically creates a precedent when CoH will have fully ahistorical unit, which basically gives them a green light to pretty much add anything they want to. On its own kinda not a bad thing, if used smart, but Relic honestly is not smart in this regard, so you could expect only alternative universe BS.
And thats the sole reason for it be in the game. On dev.coh forums, guy literally created 1 thread saying "ship model is not historically accurate", relic jumped in and changed this model, later using it as an example of "OH WE LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY", yet, after dozens of threads about BP and the majority of people disliking it, relic just ignored them later to give excuses how their game "has a historical vibe, how it aims to look historically accurate but not be historically accurate" and some other shit. But yeah, for sure they add it only to give players ability to play with big tanks, sure.
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I then thought about the black Prince and Came to a conclusion. What the heck? If the game is now the Black Prince, then why is the main US medium tank not T23? Which was produced in the amount of 248 tanks, why does the USA not have a Panther analogue of the T25 which was produced in 42 tanks? We don’t have a game about the Second World War, but a fantasy about the Second World War. And do not care that they never participated in the war and were not even planned.
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So why do we already have infrared stg44 or ostwind wich 40 of them have been made. I don't get the rant about the black prince.
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Our battle will be legendary!
1000-ton "tank-fortress", sketch by Grote, USSR 1933.
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The only way the Black Prince becomes acceptable is if its a Single Player Only unit in a Heart of Irons 4 style campaign in which you can research any number of different technologies in which case every faction would have fantasy make believe equipment.
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Please don't give lelic the ""smart"" idea of releasing an unfinished game and fleshing it out over 6 years with 12 20$ useless dlcs
If the product is shit, you bet your ass im not donating money to mid and upper tier executives.
And guess what,
- Dawn of War 3
- COH2 post 2018
- AOE4 which is decent only becuase they got funded by microsof and carry a very heavy legacy otherwise it's a bland rts
So, showing me these titles, you ask me to spend my hard earned money to continue support for this company?
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