sandbag behind flag is awful mechanic.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2021, 12:51 PMvgfgff

Let be honest .
placed sandbag behind flag are completely unusable/block attack-line form other side.
This deal too many damage to opposite in early game.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2021, 14:33 PMthedarkarmadillo

They should perhaps look to coh1 for inspiration and make bags cost manpower....

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2021, 15:36 PMSander93

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with sandbag nerfs in principle, but how is vCoH an inspiration for this? They were free in vCoH too and also buildable by certain mainline infantry like Volks and Grens stock, or Riflemen with one of the three doctrines.
https://companyofheroes.fandom.com/wiki/Sand_Bags

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2021, 15:58 PMthedarkarmadillo

Its been a long time since I've played vcoh but I recall sandbags requiring manpower something like 5mp?. Perhaps I'm misremembering?

AT any rate if I am wrong I'll happily take credit for the idea myself! A mp cost to defenses could hopefully add some more thought to throwing them up and instead I hope lead to more dynamic engagement using the map that we're present in the early days of coh2

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2021, 13:10 PMGrumpy

It's the flag that is a terrible mechanic. The game would be better without them.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2021, 16:03 PMPip

Giving them a cost of 5-10 MP would honestly be so negligible that it wouldn't be worth doing. How many sandbags do you actually create throughout the game?

in vCoH the economy was different. 5mp there was a more than it is here. Any value could be applied

The best (but pretty much impossible) solution would be either a removal of sandbags from mainlines (though this would require more work than one might think for OKW and SOV, UKF might actually take it in stride if they got RE's as their first unit, rather than a section), or sandbags providing sub-green cover protection, the latter of which would mean that green cover extant on the battlefield would still be a superior choice to player-built cover.

I wonder if making Sandbags deteriorate into yellow cover after a certain amount of "use" would help?

I'm not sure how useful yellow bags would be frankly. I'd sooner them just be made less accessible or take something more than JUST time

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2021, 10:25 AMKieselberg

Maybe restict sandbags from being build in capture areas

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2021, 11:39 AMLady Xenarra

OKW kinda need sandbags to not be walked over by Allied mainlines, UKF sort of similar in that regard though they have T0 Vickers...many times keeping the flag/point would have been completely impossible early game without sandbags. In any case the build time nerf already heavily reduced the amount of sandbags you'd see. If they've had long enough to build a sandbag up, they could have put several mines down in that time as a 'surprise' or other nastiness.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2021, 16:40 PMDescolata

I suspect that would make mining the point impossible, for better or worse.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2021, 16:40 PMDescolata

I believe damage to Pit is due to garrison mechanics.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2021, 15:36 PMSander93

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with sandbag nerfs in principle, but how is vCoH an inspiration for this? They were free in vCoH too and also buildable by certain mainline infantry like Volks and Grens stock, or Riflemen with one of the three doctrines.
https://companyofheroes.fandom.com/wiki/Sand_Bags

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2021, 16:22 PMGachiGasm

I was proposing back in the day, that sandbags just should take damage from small arms.

Game already has such mechanic. For example, UKF mortar pit is giving you cover if you stand behind it. You will have full benifit of green cover, but the mortar pit itself will be taking damage from enemy shooting at your inf and hitting mortar pit in process.

This would be a perfect solution imo. With it sandbags will be degrading over time after each engagement and you would have to either repair them or later on rebuild them since they will be eventually destoyed.

The only thing that should be done - make them non-targetable by inf without flames\AT weapons, to prevent players focus fire them with blobs.

And speaking of sandbags behind points. I belive size of non-buildable area around the flag could be easily increased, this will at least alow enemy to use your sandbags, with enouth given space.