Penal versatility

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2021, 18:03 PMthedarkarmadillo

what would something to this tune feel like?

penals start with a mix of ppsh and SVts (make em cheaper if needed)
-this makes penals more aggressive, but also enables them to coexist better with cons instead of basically replacing them. it synergizes with the clown car and also gives soviet more brazen aggression which fits the units inspiration

allow them to upgrade to either upgrade and replace the PPSHs with more SVTs or PTRS.
this keeps their versatility and still allows soviet to have a "standard" fighting squad



as for the airdrop SVTs.... they shouldnt exist. cons were never meant to outfight the enemy, they are supposed to outlast them.

replace that with airdropped medical- something the soviet will certainly want, especially if it comes early. replace the airborne hut medical with a strafe or intel or something else.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2021, 17:36 PMrumartinez89

I can't find the VET for penal hopefully you can help answer or point me where to look(What would be Penal squad specs with 4PPSH and vet). Wouldn't a penal in a clown car with vet 2 make a good chase unit. The VET would help its accuracy right? Also doesn't the VET 1 passive help?

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2021, 02:47 AMClarity

I would almost say scrap the PTRS upgrade + AT Satchel completely and give Penals access to the AT grenade that Cons get.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2021, 20:04 PMSkysTheLimit

https://www.coh2.org/guides/29892/the-company-of-heroes-2-veterancy-guide
This veterancy guide is up to date *I believe*. The penal veterancy seems up to date anyway

Penals don't get an RA bonus until vet 3, except from to the last man. Cons get a bonus at vet 1 and another at vet 3, and they always have hoorah. Throw in the fact that they are cheaper in every way, and that just makes them better at CQC

I believe penals get 6 shock ppshs when they pick up the crate though. So their close range dps is higher than ppsh cons, I just think they have a harder time closing the distance

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2021, 20:47 PMrumartinez89

Thanks. To bad it doesn't give starting stats unless I did not see it.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2021, 21:05 PMSkysTheLimit

https://coh2.serealia.ca/
Relatively up to date if I'm not mistaken

I think hoorah really makes a big difference though. Really useful for getting behind an MG, closing on a long range squad, etc.

And in the end, just get shocks. They're just a better version of ppsh penals, whereas cons give more utility and a good discount compared to both

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2021, 20:30 PMFelinewolfie

Sure! And remove Pzshrek from PzGrenadier and give them Grenadier's PzFaust ?

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2021, 06:18 AMJilet

I would unironically be okay with that. 340Mp Elite unit is not a good AT carrier IMO.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2021, 08:08 AMFelinewolfie

*Gasp*
... But then no other unit in Ostheer would carry the Pzshrek.
You know that, right?

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2021, 08:27 AMJilet

Again, wouldn't mind.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2021, 21:05 PMSkysTheLimit

https://coh2.serealia.ca/
Relatively up to date if I'm not mistaken

I think hoorah really makes a big difference though. Really useful for getting behind an MG, closing on a long range squad, etc.

And in the end, just get shocks. They're just a better version of ppsh penals, whereas cons give more utility and a good discount compared to both

Jump back to quoted post15 Jun 2021, 20:03 PMTodore

Its probably too late now for any suggestions because the patch is probably ready for release, but here's to future changes.
In the patch, both cons and penals will benefit from conscript repair package. This is a great change which adds versatility without making the ability too strong. It would be nice if conscript assault package got the same treatment where it would give access to ppsh for both cons and penals. Wehrmacht already has jaeger light infantry upgrade which affects grenadiers, panzergrenadiers and stormtroopers which is awesome and I don't see a reason why soviets shouldn't get the same privilege.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2021, 16:02 PMMr Carmine

I was quite suprised when penals lost oorah at vet. Bringing at back woudnt hurt imo.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2021, 19:34 PMSkysTheLimit

Ehh I think it would hurt. AT satchel becomes a lot easier to use if you add hoorah back to penals. That would be too strong imo

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2021, 21:50 PMrumartinez89

It could be balanced easily by making it part of the assault package which can lock out the AT upgrade. No yolo satchel.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2021, 04:36 AMOperator09

fucking soviet all build PTRS. What a balance