KV1 is the new meta. This tank is out of control, really really OP.
It deserves a big nerf in 1 or 2 of the following stats:
- HP.
- Armor.
- Price.
- Pop.
- Rotation speed and acc.
- Speed.
- Penetration (I see a lot of shots penning Panthers frontal armor. Maybe 4 out of 10).
- Limit to max 1 per time.
KV1 nerfs, When?
14 Apr 2021, 16:46 PM
#1
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14 Apr 2021, 16:52 PM
#2
Posts: 1890 | Subs: 1
KV1 is the new meta. This tank is out of control, really really OP.
It deserves a big nerf in 1 or 2 of the following stats:
- HP.
- Armor.
- Price.
- Pop.
- Rotation speed and acc.
- Speed.
- Penetration (I see a lot of shots penning Panthers frontal armor. Maybe 4 out of 10).
- Limit to max 1 per time.
*Checks Commander Revamp Patch Notes* Ask and you shall receive.
14 Apr 2021, 17:03 PM
#3
Posts: 87
Just next patch
HP : 800->1040
Receving damage reduce 20% is deleted
(Same 7 hits. Longer fix time)
Pop cap 14->16
Hull down getting dmg reduce : 20%->15%
I think KV-1's gun penetration is exactly same as T-34-76(120/100/80) so 14pop can be preserved. But seems like slightly overpowered to patch team :/
HP : 800->1040
Receving damage reduce 20% is deleted
(Same 7 hits. Longer fix time)
Pop cap 14->16
Hull down getting dmg reduce : 20%->15%
I think KV-1's gun penetration is exactly same as T-34-76(120/100/80) so 14pop can be preserved. But seems like slightly overpowered to patch team :/
14 Apr 2021, 17:12 PM
#4
Posts: 311
In the Commander Revamp Patch is still OP. Doesnt receive significant nerfs.
14 Apr 2021, 17:12 PM
#5
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...
Hull down getting dmg reduce : 20%->15%
....
EHP in hulldown from 1.250->1.223 still 8 Shot.
14 Apr 2021, 17:17 PM
#6
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nvm
14 Apr 2021, 19:02 PM
#7
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
In the Commander Revamp Patch is still OP. Doesnt receive significant nerfs.
Replay pls, so we can see its "op" because it actually overperforms, or if its "op" because you throw equal number of P4s at them and make surprised pikachu face when it doesn't work time and time again, which is 90% the case with such elaborated and detailed threads like this one.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
14 Apr 2021, 19:50 PM
#8
Posts: 919
KV1 is the new meta. This tank is out of control, really really OP.
It deserves a big nerf in 1 or 2 of the following stats:
- HP.
- Armor.
- Price.
- Pop.
- Rotation speed and acc.
- Speed.
- Penetration (I see a lot of shots penning Panthers frontal armor. Maybe 4 out of 10).
- Limit to max 1 per time.
3 out of 10 hits penetrate Panther at long range (penetration of T34/76). On the other side 8 out of 10 Panther shells penetrate the KV-1 at long range. What is even better: If you stay between 41 and 50 range with your faster Panther 0 out of 10 KV-1 shells should penetrate the Panther. I wonder which tank will win in KV-1 vs Panther duell...
I really understand why people complain about the matchup KV-1 vs PZIV (wheras PZIV should come out earlier) but Panther? Really?
I prefer T34/85 nevertheless. All allround it is a way better tank than KV-1.
14 Apr 2021, 20:01 PM
#9
Posts: 1116 | Subs: 1
The only thing broken about KV-1 and KV-8 - timing. By no means player should be able to get one at the same time enemy can get its first medium.
Its main gun might not be the best one, but its still shut downs medium play almost completly with the only counter being early AT gun walling.
It should have had CP requrement long time ago. To at least delay KVs by about a minute or two.
Its main gun might not be the best one, but its still shut downs medium play almost completly with the only counter being early AT gun walling.
It should have had CP requrement long time ago. To at least delay KVs by about a minute or two.
14 Apr 2021, 20:11 PM
#10
Posts: 919
The only thing broken about KV-1 and KV-8 - timing. By no means player should be able to get one at the same time enemy can get its first medium.
I always thought soviet T4 should be split in a T3,5 building and a a T4 tech upgrade. In the building there is the T34/76. It is available before Ostheer can bring out its PZIV (if you don't build a T70). All the other tanks and Katiusha come after the tech upgrade. That way it would really make sense to push for a fast T34/76 (as an alternative to a T3 T70) that would have a time window to get some kills before the first PZIV arrives. If T34/76 would be a little bit more attractive in its timing this alone would delay all other soviet tanks. If that is not enough you would have the option to increase T4 tech upgrade by 10-15 fuel.
14 Apr 2021, 20:27 PM
#11
Posts: 356
I always thought soviet T4 should be split in a T3,5 building and a a T4 tech upgrade. In the building there is the T34/76. It is available before Ostheer can bring out its PZIV (if you don't build a T70). All the other tanks and Katiusha come after the tech upgrade. That way it would really make sense to push for a fast T34/76 (as an alternative to a T3 T70) that would have a time window to get some kills before the first PZIV arrives. If T34/76 would be a little bit more attractive in its timing this alone would delay all other soviet tanks. If that is not enough you would have the option to increase T4 tech upgrade by 10-15 fuel.
You can already get a t-34 before a p4. Most players choose a t-70 beforehand which is an optional investment and for obvious reasons delays the t-34.
I'm really tired of this myth that the p4 comes out earlier than the t-34 as it'd only be true if the t-34 is locked behind t-70, which it's not.
14 Apr 2021, 20:55 PM
#12
Posts: 919
You can already get a t-34 before a p4. Most players choose a t-70 beforehand which is an optional investment and for obvious reasons delays the t-34.
I'm really tired of this myth that the p4 comes out earlier than the t-34 as it'd only be true if the t-34 is locked behind t-70, which it's not.
I never said that the T-70 is mandatory, i only said you should get out a T34/76 before PZIV if you don't build a T70.
Look at the fuel costs. Ostheer reaches T3 building at 145 fuel if skipping all other buildings and light vehicles.
Soviet gets T4 building at 185 fuel if skipping grenades, light vehicles and second Tier building.
In reality Ostheer will build one building at least and Soviet will go most probably for grenades or for other Tier building. Either way the difference between Ostheer T3 and Soviet T4 is pretty much the difference in fuel between T34/76 and PZIV without building a T70. So there isn't much of a Time Window for T34/76..
14 Apr 2021, 21:29 PM
#13
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You can already get a t-34 before a p4. Most players choose a t-70 beforehand which is an optional investment and for obvious reasons delays the t-34.
I'm really tired of this myth that the p4 comes out earlier than the t-34 as it'd only be true if the t-34 is locked behind t-70, which it's not.
OH: T1 + BP1 + T2 + BP2 + T3 + Medics = 770/175/60
SU: T2 + Medics + Grenades + T3 + T4 = 990/205
Both factions start with 20f and OH has a surplus of 30mp
PIV: 350/120
T34: 300/90
Fuel wise they arrive at the same time while you still have an advantage mp wise.
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And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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14 Apr 2021, 22:18 PM
#14
Posts: 356
OH: T1 + BP1 + T2 + BP2 + T3 + Medics = 770/175/60
SU: T2 + Medics + Grenades + T3 + T4 = 990/205
Both factions start with 20f and OH has a surplus of 30mp
PIV: 350/120
T34: 300/90
Fuel wise they arrive at the same time while you still have an advantage mp wise.
I'm sorry is the t-34 locked behind grenades? Is the pz4 locked behind medics? Why not mention the SOV muni advantage unless you're being disingenuous?
I get that there are probably other things you want in a normal game, and I'm fine with discussing those.
If you follow a straight path to the t-34 it arrives earlier than the pz4 though. Any deviation from that straight path is because you found something more valuable than having the t-34 at the earliest time.
E: If you're going argue that you need to add optional tech for the reason of symmetry, then you haven't included bp3 and OST t4, or SOV T1
14 Apr 2021, 23:40 PM
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I'm sorry is the t-34 locked behind grenades? Is the pz4 locked behind medics? Why not mention the SOV muni advantage unless you're being disingenuous?
I get that there are probably other things you want in a normal game, and I'm fine with discussing those.
If you follow a straight path to the t-34 it arrives earlier than the pz4 though. Any deviation from that straight path is because you found something more valuable than having the t-34 at the earliest time.
E: If you're going argue that you need to add optional tech for the reason of symmetry, then you haven't included bp3 and OST t4, or SOV T1
If you check the post, i mention the 60 munition for medics.
I'm pointing out normal builds, specially on 1v1. Avoiding making any light is already a rarity. Teamgames allows for more diverse builds as you can practically skip a lot of things.
Sure, you can say a T1 + T3 + T4 is the fastest route towards a T34 but that's not realistic. The same way in saying that BP 1 + BP2 + T3 is a build (which i've only seen in last years in Ostwind pre nerf era).
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
14 Apr 2021, 23:50 PM
#16
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Why not mention the SOV muni advantage unless you're being disingenuous?
Eh? Soviet have mainline muni costs same as everyone else now. They also are the only faction that has to spend munitions on their machinegun for it to suppress....
Soviet don't have a munitions advantage anymore (which previously it was simply not having anything to spend munitions on...)
If anything they, especially at t2 are rather expensive on the munitions now....
#stalinwept
15 Apr 2021, 00:06 AM
#17
Posts: 356
Sure, you can say a T1 + T3 + T4 is the fastest route towards a T34 but that's not realistic.
The whole "t-34 comes later" isn't an argument from practicality though or else it would acknowledge the 222 t-70 matchup that occurs just beforehand. It's just pointless pedantic sophistry.
15 Apr 2021, 00:58 AM
#18
Posts: 112
kv1 needs a buff not a nerf. Complete fail of an update. Nobody is going to take it anymore.
15 Apr 2021, 01:32 AM
#19
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The whole "t-34 comes later" isn't an argument from practicality though or else it would acknowledge the 222 t-70 matchup that occurs just beforehand. It's just pointless pedantic sophistry.
How isn't from a practicality point of view?
If you acknowledge a normal build with skipping lights it arrives later due to same fuel cost and difference on mp.
What SU gains in 60 muni, OH gets it with 180mp. And they get a stronger medium tank.
If you account for lights, you can either opt for both to get a FHT vs M5 Quad for similar resources spent. If you have to go for 222/FHT vs T70 it further pushes the argument that the T34 can't arrive faster than the PIV.
Can we go back to the KV1, which is already justified in getting nerfs in preview patch?
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
15 Apr 2021, 05:22 AM
#20
Posts: 163
kv1 needs a buff not a nerf. Complete fail of an update. Nobody is going to take it anymore.sure man kv1 needs buff
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