Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 02:54 AMMr. Someguy

On Partisans: I don't see why Partisans need to buy their PPSh's when Stormtroopers get their MP 40's for free. Partisans have a very similar role and their new upgrades closely mirror Stormtroopers, but they have to pay a heck of a lot more and don't have even half as much punch.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 05:18 AMZeroZeroNi

they get a 5th man while stormtroopers do not.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 06:54 AMKatitof

On the other hand, stormtroopers do not lose to engineers badly and are actually viable as 4 man.

I have very mixed feelings about partisans, their call-in impact was completely neutered in favor of making them better long term investment, but if I wanted long term investment, new assault guards do pretty much the same thing while performing exponentially better at it and partisans still have unsustainable bleed when engaged by anything.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 06:54 AMKatitof

I have very mixed feelings about partisans, their call-in impact was completely neutered in favor of making them better long term investment, but if I wanted long term investment, new assault guards do pretty much the same thing while performing exponentially better at it and partisans still have unsustainable bleed when engaged by anything.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 09:47 AMHannibal

While I second the sentiment that Soviets do not need Partisans as yet another PPSh combat unit, the comparison with Assault Guards is completely off the mark. They are functionally very different units.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 09:55 AMKatitof

At the moment they both have low initial impact, require specialized CQC AI or AT upgrade and go from there.
General purpose is the same.

Application of that role differs with one being cheap ambusher and other operating more frontally.

Being completely impotent on spawn, partisans might just as well no longer be infiltration units.

I did mix ass guards with airborne guards in my mid tho and briefly thought former got the camo when stationary, when its the addition of that to latter.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 10:10 AMHannibal

One has camo (even the elite version), the other one has not. That's a huge difference in use. That's the only reason why Stormtroopers and Commandos work properly, otherwise they would be quite bad. PPShs also don't exactly offer mid range DPS.

Stormtroopers have also been neutered on spawn, yet they are not a bad squad.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 10:20 AMKatitof

Hence my clarification in last line.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 10:20 AMKatitof

Storms don't exactly have to pay(not that big of an issue tho) for their MP40s and don't need to retreat to reinforce to get to full potential.

There isn't much use for an infiltration unit that starts without weapons and needs to retreat to get all models back.

This is why new partisans(AI variant) is completely confusing to me, there is no reason to ever get them out through infiltration if there is no M5 around and they bleed as much as they always have.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 10:47 AMthedarkarmadillo

I'd see a bit more utility in partisans instead of combat buffs. I wonder if it would be possible to create a salvage system for munitions that functions a bit like interrogation tactics on dead infantry to help feed the machine
More mines would also be a fun route.
They arnt supposed to fight outright but instead be a real pain in the ass.

Another idea would be to add a damage reduction or target size reduction to their camo bonus to when they to get the junp on an enemy they don't just melt away

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 05:55 AMVonIvan

Buff Partysans and bring back sniper in an m3(doctrinal)
Just do it

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 10:35 AMHannibal

But I agree with you last points. If Partisans really stay like this, they probably need some further adjustments. Although with the addition of the fifth man they overall don't look THAT much different from commandos regarding EHP (considering reinforcement costs) and usage in the late game.
All in all Partisans should be a totally different squad. They should be able to enable the brute force attack that Soviets do, not be part of it.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 11:21 AMaerafield

Have you seen vet 2 Partisans attacking out of camouflage with their free +50% accuracy? They can melt through vet 3 panzergrens if caught off-guard. And they also can throw a frag nade out of camouflage, stormtroopers can't

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 11:53 AMCrecer13

Why not make it so that the Partisans can be reorganized into a regular infantry unit when they retreat to the base? When the partisans met with the regular troops, they were usually poured into the regular rifle units. My idea is that the partisans get the Conscripts skin, change the veterancy ability, maybe even a 5-man squad, but for example with two DP-27 or MG-42/34.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 13:53 PMthedarkarmadillo

I wouldn't change the skin, but you could slap merge into them perhaps... That may be interesting....

Side note, what about some field reinforcement JUST for partisans? Something akin to pathfinder beacon that only reinforces airborne for the spartisans?

That would allow them to stay behind enemy lines a bugger shit up.

Also in campaign they could create blinds that let em set up ambushes... That would be a huge bonus to them as well...

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 13:57 PMCrecer13

Even with a merge, a skin replacement is needed. The partisans did not fight in their civilian or uninsigned uniforms in the regular army, but received a standard uniform.

• Give them a resource stealing ability like the Funkwagen from Panzer Elite.
  
• Allow them to reinforce in the field somehow.
  
• Grant them the Salvage ability.
  
• +1 Sturmpioneer StG at Vet 3.