Commander Update Beta 2021 - Ostheer Feedback

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2021, 13:45 PMVipper

One of the most popular commanders received another buff with merging Riegel with 251. The commander should be nerfed not buffed. On the other hand the commander has many recon option with Spotting scopes/overrflight/Flare from 251.

I would suggest again to instead of merging MOP with riegel and have a 2 mines available in the 251 to rename the ability "AT training" and allow PG to plant riegel and Pak to get passive cloak when stationary with no bonus and make the ability available to more commanders. As for Jaeger A it could get some low impact abilities

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2021, 13:45 PMVipper

Jaeger Armor Doctrine
Riegel Mine--->251 Mobile Observation Post
Recon Overflight
Spotting Scope
Stuka Anti-Tank Strafe
Elefant

One of the most popular commanders received another buff with merging Riegel with 251. The commander should be nerfed not buffed. On the other hand the commander has many recon option with Spotting scopes/overrflight/Flare from 251.

I would suggest again to instead of merging MOP with riegel and have a 2 mines available in the 251 to rename the ability "AT training" and allow PG to plant riegel and Pak to get passive cloak when stationary with no bonus and make the ability available to more commanders. As for Jaeger A it could get some low impact abilities.

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2021, 14:35 PMSander93

So you don't want to buff Jaeger Armor, but also want to buff Jaeger Armor? Pick one.

The MOP merge just coincidentally affects Jaeger Armor, it's primarily meant to make the other commanders that had the MOP or the Riegel more attractive by turning two decent but not outstanding abilities into one nice package. I highly doubt it would effectively make much of a difference for Jaeger Armor, because who would really use the MOP recon with constant ammo cost over the one time upgrade Spotting Scopes. We can always look for a new replacement for the AT Strafe anyway.

Camouflaged Paks would definitely be a bigger buff.

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2021, 16:25 PMltaustinpowers

I agree this doctrine has a lot of vision abilities, even more so with flares from MOP. Although I love the thought of being able to plant riegel mines with panzer grens, I feel that by itself is a buff and I don't think paks should be allowed to cloak.

Ultimately, this doctrine needs to be altered to make it less of an automatic selection when equipping commanders. Since it has so many vision options, I think recon overflight should be removed and replaced with something else. Unfortunately, that by itself may not even be enough to encourage players to consider an alternative commander as one of their three options.

A less decisive option would be removing recon and replacing with something less impactful, such as the model 24 stun grenades.

More drastic measures might include removing the stuka anti tank strafe and replacing with the anti infantry strafe. If more severe changes are made to this commander, then perhaps it would make sense to allow PGrens the ability to plant riegel mines (enabled as part of the MOP ability).

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2021, 14:35 PMSander93

So you don't want to buff Jaeger Armor, but also want to buff Jaeger Armor? Pick one.

The MOP merge just coincidentally affects Jaeger Armor, it's primarily meant to make the other commanders that had the MOP or the Riegel more attractive by turning two decent but not outstanding abilities into one nice package. I highly doubt it would effectively make much of a difference for Jaeger Armor, because who would really use the MOP recon with constant ammo cost over the one time upgrade Spotting Scopes. We can always look for a new replacement for the AT Strafe anyway.

Camouflaged Paks would definitely be a bigger buff.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 08:10 AMVipper

Command Panzer IV:
Lower Pop to 10 same as ostwind
Lower XP value to 1790 same as ostwind (currently has more XP than normal PzIV)

Replace the weapon rotation bonus with something that increase the "commander" aspect of the unit. Either the abilities or the aura.

Increase close penetration of main gun from 55 to 100 (Valentine has 120/KV-8 has 140)


Officer:
Reduce reinforcement time to match grenadier
Add a weapon upgrade as vet bonus similar to Sturm officer/Commisar's (extra entity)

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 05:32 AMUnit G17

I agree that 3 recon options in Jaeger armor is bit too much (spotting scope, MOP, recon plane), once again I propose moving one of the abilities to Fortified armor, the other Elephant doctrine, in an attempt to make it a somewhat equally intersting pick.
Imo the MOP would fit in there as Fortified armor relies more around defensive play. It would replace panzer tactician.
As for the gap in Jaeger, it could be filled in with something that's more offensive to fit the theme, but rather situational. I'm thinking of either Counter attack tactics from MobiDef or Tactical advance.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 08:43 AMmrgame2

doesn't fortified already have recon planes and hull down increases sight?

im happy with keeping smoke in fortified

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 08:10 AMVipper

Command Panzer IV:
Lower Pop to 10 same as ostwind
Lower XP value to 1790 same as ostwind (currently has more XP than normal PzIV)

Replace the weapon rotation bonus with something that increase the "commander" aspect of the unit. Either the abilities or the aura.

Increase close penetration of main gun from 55 to 100 (Valentine has 120/KV-8 has 140)

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 05:32 AMUnit G17

I agree that 3 recon options in Jaeger armor is bit too much (spotting scope, MOP, recon plane), once again I propose moving one of the abilities to Fortified armor, the other Elephant doctrine, in an attempt to make it a somewhat equally intersting pick.
Imo the MOP would fit in there as Fortified armor relies more around defensive play. It would replace panzer tactician.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 09:56 AMLetzte Bataillon

I think Sander mentioned Ambush Training for Jaeger Armor (like Jaeger Infantry) a few months ago, and I liked that idea. Fits the theme well and is low impact.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 09:55 AMmrgame2

I be happy if hull down for ost remains as it is, needing infantry to build. In place, remove the extra seconds to be effective. It should be in brace mode, once infantry starts to hull down.

this way we have asymmetry between sov and ost hulldown.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 17:22 PMTiger Baron

Soviets don't have hulldown.

There are only animations for the German tanks.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 17:31 PMgeneral_gawain

KW-1 has it with Vet1, it grants damage reduction and RoF.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 19:43 PMTiger Baron

Wait they added the same hull down for Ost for the KV1 only as a vet 1 ability or something?

Since when and with what animations exactly?

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 19:43 PMTiger Baron

Wait they added the same hull down for Ost for the KV1 only as a vet 1 ability or something?

Since when and with what animations exactly?

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 19:43 PMTiger Baron

Wait they added the same hull down for Ost for the KV1 only as a vet 1 ability or something?

Since when and with what animations exactly?

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 21:00 PMPip

The KV1 has had the ability for some time, it's actually not too much of an issue to add "Hull Down" to any tank, from what i can surmise. The Animation isnt inherent in the vehicle, there seem to be some generic Sandbag bits that can be placed around an unit when it uses an ability.