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I might be in the minority here but the Stug E is perfectly fine for cost/performance ratio. They are cheap to build and don't even require T3 or T4 to be built.

I play mainly 3v3 and got to the front page with a stug e build not too long ago (Defensive Doctrine). You need to utilize its strengths and be quick with that reverse button. Honestly, I was super happy to hear about the smoke barrage ability that it was about to receive (and now has). The range on it is absurd but I am not going to complain about it. You can smoke barrage for FREE safely out of the range of at guns to disrupt enemy mgs, atgs, and in general, enemy vision. Especially in 3s, 2x stug e are great at managing allied blobs.

Jaeger Armor Doctrine
Riegel Mine--->251 Mobile Observation Post
Recon Overflight
Spotting Scope
Stuka Anti-Tank Strafe
Elefant

One of the most popular commanders received another buff with merging Riegel with 251. The commander should be nerfed not buffed. On the other hand the commander has many recon option with Spotting scopes/overrflight/Flare from 251.

I would suggest again to instead of merging MOP with riegel and have a 2 mines available in the 251 to rename the ability "AT training" and allow PG to plant riegel and Pak to get passive cloak when stationary with no bonus and make the ability available to more commanders. As for Jaeger A it could get some low impact abilities.

I agree this doctrine has a lot of vision abilities, even more so with flares from MOP. Although I love the thought of being able to plant riegel mines with panzer grens, I feel that by itself is a buff and I don't think paks should be allowed to cloak.

Ultimately, this doctrine needs to be altered to make it less of an automatic selection when equipping commanders. Since it has so many vision options, I think recon overflight should be removed and replaced with something else. Unfortunately, that by itself may not even be enough to encourage players to consider an alternative commander as one of their three options.

A less decisive option would be removing recon and replacing with something less impactful, such as the model 24 stun grenades.

More drastic measures might include removing the stuka anti tank strafe and replacing with the anti infantry strafe. If more severe changes are made to this commander, then perhaps it would make sense to allow PGrens the ability to plant riegel mines (enabled as part of the MOP ability).

Hey everyone, thanks for taking the time to read to this post.

First off, I want to say I appreciate the effort that is being put forth by the balance team to try and keep this game alive/fresh/balanced. I am not sure I agree with all of the changes but I think most of them are headed in the right direction (I am only speaking about Ostheer changes right now).

One of the things that I want to bring up is the amount of overlap between the original two factions and their multitude of commanders. This has been brought up before, one example is from Whiteflash's post here: https://www.coh2.org/topic/11064/commander-overlap-a-serious-problem

We have a number of unique abilities that are only in 1 or 2 commanders while Stuka Reconnaissance Overflight and Panzer Tactician worm their way into 6 different commanders! Luftwaffe Supply Doctrine had Recon Overflight removed and replaced with the Luftwaffe Field Officer. I am suggesting that we get Panzer Tactician and Recon Overflight down to 3 commanders each. This will help create better identities for different commanders.

Additionally, with the assistance of coh2stats.com, we can get an idea of what commanders are being equipped and which ones aren't. Some of these commanders aren't picked because their abilities are often found in other, BETTER, doctrines.

FunPolice alerted me to the fact that I overlooked something in the planned commander patch. As a result, I am striking through information no longer relevant. One other thing I want to suggest prior to getting into the Commanders, is combining two abilities. With the suggested removal of Riegel Mines from Storm, Riegel mines would only be found on one commander, just like Entrenching Tools. I suggest combining Riegel mines with Entrenching Tools into one ability.

Mobile Defense, Ostruppen, Luftwaffe Supply, Close Air Support, and Festung Armor are the least equipped Doctrines in team games (2v2, 3v3, and 4v4). Festung Armor is already being changed by the balance team so I don't think anything needs to be called out about it. I would also like to mention changes to Blitzkrieg and Fortified Armor. I see that Blitzkrieg is picked pretty often in 1v1s and a decent amount in 2v2s, but suggested changes might be worth considering. I have tried making all these changes based on the commander's theme and balance around it.

Blitzkrieg: The Blitzkrieg doctrine stressed combined operations; aircraft supporting armor which in turn should exploit breakthroughs won by infantry.

Remove Panzer Tactician and Recon Overflight. Replace with Breakthrough Equipment and Breakthrough.

Breakthrough Equipment provides pioneers a way to clear obstacles while PGrens are able to utilize smoke grenades. Breakthrough provides the opportunity for vehicles to move faster, capture points, and (assuming the proposed change is implemented) reload faster. Tactical Movement and Breakthrough would allow the Commander to have both its infantry and tanks push together at lightning speed, as the commander's name suggests.

Fortified Armor: Enhance the survivability of your tanks and vehicles; defensive smoke, the ability to go hull-down, and a Panzer IV Command Tank ensure your vehicles can live longer and fight harder, while aerial recon allow you to see threats and engage them at long range with the Elefant Heavy Tank Destroyer.

I suggest removing Panzer Tactician and replacing it with Entrenching Tools (now with Riegel). For a commander that is designed to be fortified, or entrenched, it make sense to include entrenching tools here. With the Elefant unable to position much while hulled down, I like the idea of being able to place Regal mines to help set traps for a hulled down Elefant.

Jaeger Armor: Find your enemy and attack them; Aerial reconnaissance and increased vision range on your tanks allows you to spot the enemy. Fix their position and smash them aside with Stuka Bombing Strikes and the deadly Elefant Heavy Tank Destroyer.

I honestly feel that the balance team indirectly BUFFED this commander with the removal of the Stuka Dive Bomb and its replacement with Ju-87 Anti-Tank Strafe. As a result, I don't think this commander should be able to recon for itself.

Convert Riegel Mine to Entrenching Tools. Remove Stuka Recon and replace with Model 24 Stun Grenades.

With this Commander already being the most equipped commander in team games by a WIDE margin, I feel that additional adjustments need to be made here. For consistency purposes, this commander would also get entrenching tools which unfortunately is a buff over just Riegel mines. However, I think swapping recon with the stun grenades is a way of balancing out that entrenching adjustment.

Mobile Defense: A commander reassigned from the western front, bringing the experience and tactics from the western theatre to the battle in the east. Use a number of mobile units in conjunction with a defensive strategy to quickly react to enemy breakthroughs.

I appreciate the removal of Ostruppen Reserves, the buff to Counterattack Tactics, and the quicker build time for Puma, but frankly, I don't believe those changes will be enough to justify using this doctrine.

Remove Panzer Tactician and replace with Assault Grenadiers.

I have read it many times here how people would like to see Ass Grens used in another doctrine, one without a Tiger. Ass Grens would be a perfect fit here as they are an agile infantry unit which would support the identity of this commander.

Ostruppen: Utilize Germany’s allies as support infantry to shore up defenses on the line. Combine these support infantry with experienced German Officers and resources to break enemy attacks and hold valuable ground.

Riegel mines are added to Entrenching tools.

Spearhead: Armor provides the spearhead, piercing enemy lines and driving deep into their territory. Tiger tanks absorb punishment and focus, while bombing destroys enemy defenses and 250/7 mortar half-tracks keep infantry at bay.

Remove Recon Overflight and replace with Break Supply Line.

Being able to neutralize strategic points prior to attacking them with the main force would be ideal for spearheading an assault.

Again, I appreciate anyone who read through these suggestions. I would be happy to take a look at the Soviet doctrines as well.

Looking at some options that were discussed within this thread, what about something along the lines of:

combining HMG/ATG paradrop into 1 commander ability at 2 or 3 cp: Paradrop Crew Weapons Package. As far as having two drops from 1 slot, perhaps make each of those weapon drops (HMG and ATG) a selectable option from within the paradrop beacon UI. It would limit the ability to drop these crew weapons just anywhere on the map but the commander would also be receiving an extra ability to help balance.

Add p47 strafing run from tactical company.

Lower p47 rocket strike to 220 munitions.

Edit: if munitions are too wide spread for this commander, perhaps adjust the hmg/atg paradrop from mp/muni to mp/muni/fuel. I am not sure what the specifics should be but ex: HMG 125mp/15muni/10fuel (-45 muni over current but +10 fuel)

Adding my post to this thread as well. Unfortunately Smartie's thread was sent off on a tangent regarding IR STG44s.

I still feel like Scavenge could use a little bit of love.

The Commander is named after the scavenge ability but especially in team games, wrecks are typically destroyed before you can salvage them. Even abandoned crew weapons are destroyed more often than not. The exception might be early game before heavy artillery starts hitting the field or tanks are able to run over the wrecks of vehicles that they just destroyed, meaning you can salvage dead: bren carriers, kubelwagens, scout cars, etc.

I think Through Salvage should either be merged with the Incendiary Munitions from Feuersturm (the extra salvage allows for Le. IG 18s to use incendiary rounds [might be a good time to buff the incendiary rounds a bit as well]) or...

perhaps combining Through Salvage with the Ostwind unlock (both 0cp) allowing for an additional commander ability. If the sturmpioniers are better trained at salvaging, perhaps the tank crews would have better training as well. Add the Emergency Repairs ability from Elite Armored.