Lefh Counter Barrage Controversy

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:00 AMSander93

What's the point in that? Then in an actual scenario over decent distances the LeFH will be too slow to fire before the rocket artillery can finish its barrage and back away out of range. Counter Barrage still adheres to the LeFH's maximum firing range, it does not have unlimited range.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:14 AMTygrys

Why am I not surprised. What an absolute joke.



It's not gamebreaking? A zero micro ability that will track your moving artillery basically until it stops and will hit it isn't gamebreaking. I have no words.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:26 AMEsxile

Which force your to bring your unit out of range instead of moving it await from their initial position.
Mortars or pakhowitzers and such are pleased to know you just need to move them out of lefh range once they fire their barrage for safety.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:33 AMHannibal

Those unit have such slow barrages that they will be counter barraged before finishing their own.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:05 AMVipper

USF/UKF/OKW all have stock reckon sweeps ideal for providing vision on enemy static howitzer. Call in a off map in multiplayer game is not really that hard.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:26 AMEsxile

Which force your to bring your unit out of range instead of moving it await from their initial position.
Mortars or pakhowitzers and such are pleased to know you just need to move them out of lefh range once they fire their barrage for safety.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:36 AMSkysTheLimit

That doesn't respond to what they said. With random teammstes it is that hard. Your only chance of coordinating it is through text chat, which is not easy and you don't even know if they speak your language

In arranged teams, not a problem at all. But counter barrage is easy no matter what

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:26 AMEsxile

Which force your to bring your unit out of range instead of moving it await from their initial position. Mortars or pakhowitzers and such are pleased to know you just need to move them out of lefh range once they fire their barrage for safety.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:33 AMHannibal

Those unit have such slow barrages that they will be counter barraged before finishing their own.

Counter Barrage is a valid concern/discussion, but this "tracking" premise presented in the OP is blown out of proportion and a total non issue in most if not all in game scenarios.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:38 AMVipper

It does.

It very easy for a single player to have call both the reckon and the off map.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:38 AMVipper

It does

It very easy for a single player to have call both the reckon and the off map.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:40 AMEsxile

Which happen enough so people made a dedicated video to try to understand why.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:51 AMSander93

Only took them 8 years. I guess it's not that bad then, based on this argument.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:47 AMSkysTheLimit

It does not. It is not very easy at all, because you don't know the enemies commander in advance

There are more commanders with leFH than there are ways to combine recon and nukes with 1 person. And the soviets can only do that with 1 specific doctrine

Meanwhile every single leFH commander gives you the ability to counter other howitzers. By default. This is not balanced

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:51 AMSander93

Only took them 8 years. I guess it's not that bad then, based on this argument.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 12:10 PMVipper

What I have said and will say it again since you seem to have trouble reading is:

The stock reckon planes allow USF/UKF/OKW to call in off map on static howitzer with little trouble.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 12:10 PMVipper

One does need to know the enemies commander in advance, one can always pick a commander after his opponent.

Regardless going into a 3vs3 or 4vs4 without a commander with off map or arty is probably a strategical mistake.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 12:12 PMEsxile

Anyway it is maybe also a problem of communication of yours. Maybe aknwoledging the issue and saying that something will be done about it in the next patch would be a better way to tactle the issue than just throwing a "not a problem".

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:40 AMSander93

Counter Barrage is a valid concern/discussion

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 12:20 PMSkysTheLimit

I understood what you wrote. Like I said, there are fewer options with those offmaps than there are with leFHs

And as I've already pointed out, this also leaves the soviets out entirely. They are literally the most relevant in this discussion because they are the only allied faction with static howitzers, and are the most effected by counter barrage

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 12:20 PMSkysTheLimit

This doesn't respond to the point again. All leFH commanders give you that reliable counter already. It's built-in. You don't have to consider it at all. Of course you don't go in without one on your loadout, for christs sake

That leaves out the design of the ability itself, which I would love to see you try to justify. Free and no duration? Little to no user-input required? This is balanced in your opinion?