My respond to the accusations

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2021, 00:16 AMPorygon

I see no sense of banning at the first point, so I bought a knife, I borrowed it to a murderer, the murderer killed someone, now I am guilty? WTF

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2021, 01:02 AMTiger Baron

I am open minded, that's why I accept that we each have our own separate and personal opinions to which we're all entitled to.

I'm just saying my opinion on it because honestly with a few exceptions of like for example SC2 every game that has RNG heavily involved in to with a competitive scene where there's money on the line has been a colossal failure from what I've noticed and this is just another recent example of that.

Also from what I understand Poker is a game specifically made to involve money so...

I mean no other game from my understanding at least is designed around betting, Chess, Farming Simulator and so forth are all meant for entertainment and again in my opinion at least it's fine to be competitive about it, if you wish so, however when involving money the stakes are higher and thus the chance of people being desperate to win and thus do something against the rules and so forth in order to win also increases exponentially and becomes pretty much unavoidable.

So again just to sum up my thoughts in a few words, if people wish to be competitive in games meant for entertainment that's fine and that's their own choice, however if they still wish to be competitive with money involved in a heavily RNG dependent game, then again that's still their own choice to do so but it has a very high chance of ending badly because someone will probably want to win at all costs, quite literally.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2021, 04:06 AMWhiteFlash

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A_E — 03/17/2021
@everyone Two bans, and three apologies

ML BANS

Seeking - For playing on the Deadbolt account after an initial one tourney ban for boosting on 29th of Jan, Seeking will be temp banned from ML for one year until 1st March 2022. I feel it's in our best interests to have a hard line on this account sharing due to Deadbolt being shown to be map hacking.

Seeking is not being perma-banned for map hacking as there is no 'smoking gun' evidence that can't be disputed as "game sense" etc. It has clearly been shown that the 100% obvious map hacking was done whist it was Deadbolt playing. Should firm evidence of map hacking be found of Seeking in the future however, obviously this will be revisited.

Deadbolt - (Seeking's irl uncle) has been shown to be using hacks in replays that are 100% obvious he is of course therefore banned.

APOLOGIES

I apologise to Seeking that all attempts were made to not handle this privately; in hindsight they should have been. I selfishly protected myself by ensuring speculation was minimised through transparency but created an unfair process. I'm a firm believer in 'innocent until proven guilty' therefore Seeking shouldn't be known as a map hacker. I will be making a video on this as it’s only fair that it's given equal platform.

I apologise to ML players that the procedures in the ML are not robust enough to offer a due process when evidence is reported, we're offering real money to play for here so I feel it's time to get real and iron out our processes and procedures. No point saying "but we're an amateur league" when we're offering real money. The @Referees and I will be working hard to write and vote on procedures that will protect us all in the future.

I apologise to the community that I rushed this out and brought this to everyone's attention thinking it was conclusive, however it's now time to deal only with facts and act based on facts.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2021, 09:56 AMberkeley

"Deadbolt = Satup
Source: dude trust me"

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2021, 09:58 AMA_E

Source: the 2v2 partners of Deadbolt, and Deadbolt himself https://www.coh2.org/replay/107725/top-55-at-using-maphack-keep-looking-into-fow/page/2#post_id855891

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2021, 10:06 AMberkeley

"I've looked at your replay now and then, I see Not where he supposedly cheats, "

"so I'm just minute 4 he hears your dare and had motor damage in the fog at what y"

"i follow his "

he says "he/his" when he talks about satup. Deadbolt never confirmed he is actually satup.
Deadbolt speaks a broken english.
Also this "i am not hacking why i not banned from relic?? relic say its not obvios but its ok for me" does not confirm he is hacking either.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2021, 06:18 AMelchino7

If you think this logic is stupid, let me remind you that this is how other e-sports organizations handle issues.
For ex: if you ever have ANY VAC ban linked to any account related to yours, you will never be able to participate in any CS Major. Look for Jamppi case (he is suing Valve), where he bought some CS GO accounts for a lan party when he was like 14 years old, and because one of his friends later cheated, he can't participate in any tournament.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2021, 03:07 AMNorthWeapon

Dude if you play TF2 you definitely do not represent the average COH2.ORG or coh2 player who is involved in this drama.

I think this basically explains the lack of understanding from your side.

i.e they (and I) are not casual players

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2021, 06:18 AMelchino7

You are not guilty of murder unless you knew before hand the reason why it was borrowed. Change knife for gun at now it looks way worse.

If you think this logic is stupid, let me remind you that this is how other e-sports organizations handle issues.
For ex: if you ever have ANY VAC ban linked to any account related to yours, you will never be able to participate in any CS Major. Look for Jamppi case (he is suing Valve), where he bought some CS GO accounts for a lan party when he was like 14 years old, and because one of his friends later cheated, he can't participate in any tournament.



It's fine to give your opinion but i think you are confusing factors. RNG and competitiveness. It's human nature that people will sometimes go around rules to trump over others. That applies to all aspects of life. You don't need money for that to be the case, it just adds another reason/factor into the equation.


Not sure what you mean by "colossal" failure. Popularity is mostly based around the number of people playing/watching them. You can't compare a game like SC2 which probable have 50/100 times more active players, more if we consider those who don't play it at all and just watch.

RNG in different degrees appear in many games. AOE2/WC3 have it. You skipped the fact that things like Magic or HS exist. King of the hill FPS have randomized loot. FIFA Ultimate team is a thing (puke). Pokemon is a thing. War Thunder/World of tanks.



Word of wisdom. You don't improve things by burning bridges with people.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2021, 11:40 AMTiger Baron

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Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2021, 11:40 AMTiger Baron

My point is that the competitive scene is being taken much too seriously that ends up in drama like here due to the fact that the game is heavily RNG based, perhaps a bit unbalanced and again there's money involved which is an extra factor that ramps up the chance of someone wanting to win at all costs and so reverting to cheating in order to do so.

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2021, 17:42 PMDaPopeCOH

but when a group of very experienced high skill players with impeccable reputation like luvnest, devm etc. come to the conclusion that they are not sure if he hacked, then dont ban him.
if they are sure that he did, ban him.
its as easy as that.

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Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2021, 21:39 PMApplejack

Hi Seaking,

You are a outlier in the Soviet 1v1 ladder right now. Can you give us some tips on how to improve our Soviet 1v1 game so we can achieve the same results as you?



Would be interested to hear your thoughts on how to achieve the same results.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2021, 21:46 PMTobis

Start a new account after playing for years and noobstomp your way through a small number of matches.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2021, 21:39 PMApplejack

Hi Seaking,

You are a outlier in the Soviet 1v1 ladder right now. Can you give us some tips on how to improve our Soviet 1v1 game so we can achieve the same results as you?



Would be interested to hear your thoughts on how to achieve the same results.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2021, 23:15 PMCreativeName

ok then, guess i can sell my 8 years old keyboard as new.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2021, 21:46 PMTobis

Start a new account after playing for years and noobstomp your way through a small number of matches.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2021, 21:39 PMApplejack

Hi Seaking,

You are a outlier in the Soviet 1v1 ladder right now. Can you give us some tips on how to improve our Soviet 1v1 game so we can achieve the same results as you?



Would be interested to hear your thoughts on how to achieve the same results.