Remove counter-barrage.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jan 2021, 17:40 PMDerKuhlmann

Counter barrage requires vet 1
If someone in your allies team doesn´t pick recon plus arty and axis has lefh then your team made a bad commander decision

Also you can be sure axis has lefh like brits go emplacements

Jump back to quoted post15 Jan 2021, 19:56 PMthedarkarmadillo

There's no need for counter barrage because if the axis team doesn't pick recon plus off map and the enemy has arty then they made a bad commander decision.

For perspective the ml-20 vet 1 is 1 extra shell
The lefh vet 1 is to, without a lick of micro, counter every single indirect option the enemy has.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jan 2021, 20:37 PMStug life

>counters

oh no , if only they had wheels to move after a barrage

Jump back to quoted post15 Jan 2021, 20:54 PMSkysTheLimit

So in your opinion counter barrage should only work against mobile arty?

Imo CB is fine, but that's not a good argument

Jump back to quoted post15 Jan 2021, 20:37 PMStug life

>counters

oh no , if only they had wheels to move after a barrage

Jump back to quoted post15 Jan 2021, 19:59 PMBetterDead ThanRed

SupremeStefan

Axis has access to 1 long range artillery, its static.

Allies has access to 4 long range artillery, 2 are mobile, 2 are static.

if axis had access to an SPG, i would agree, but the burden falls on the single option there is.
plus if CB is removed, priest and sextons would be at the top of the food chain, bar none

Jump back to quoted post15 Jan 2021, 22:14 PMBetterDead ThanRed

i insist on that CB (until something of similar value is presented) is extremely valuable to axis, and is almost essential in some cases.

But so far i see few good suggestions of what to replace it with.

But i have these suggestions at the top of my head:

1. CB ''locks'' onto target as it currently is, but needs player input to actually engage/fire. basicly just clicking ''fire''

2. have a toggle on what range to CB on, close or far, with cooldown between them, will only CB within that zone until told otherwise, meaning a close enemy mortar would be safe ATM, when toggled to ''far mode'' and reverse.

3. have a toggle on what target CB to prioritize, light, medium or heavy artillery, with cooldown toggle

Jump back to quoted post15 Jan 2021, 23:04 PMSupremeStefan

I really dont understand why people suggest CB must exist because priest something something.
Removing this ability will only force people to minimal micro input that's it.

I can understand that priest or even sexton are strong but that doesn't mean axis can be braindead comon guys.

If u really want to kill some sextons then just flank and kill it like rocket arty its really isnt that big difference.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jan 2021, 23:04 PMSupremeStefan

I really dont understand why people suggest CB must exist because priest something something.
Removing this ability will only force people to minimal micro input that's it.

I can understand that priest or even sexton are strong but that doesn't mean axis can be braindead comon guys.

If u really want to kill some sextons then just flank and kill it like rocket arty its really isnt that big difference.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jan 2021, 22:41 PMthedarkarmadillo

Well. It'll ohk a Katy, nuke a ml120 and a b4, the land mattress doesn't have the speed...
It procs on zis, su76 and Scott barrages, as well as mortar barrages.

But yea, the priest and sexton can wheel away mid barrage so it's all good right?

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2021, 00:51 AMStug life

u can still get away even with those as it's not instant, tho i would agree that it needs some more micro, maybe designate an area or an angle of 45° that only works for counter barrage ?

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2021, 01:00 AMTheMux2

that + make it so it isnt just a toggle but that u have to activate it

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2021, 00:51 AMStug life

u can still get away even with those as it's not instant, tho i would agree that it needs some more micro, maybe designate an area or an angle of 45° that only works for counter barrage ?

Jump back to quoted post15 Jan 2021, 23:37 PMVipper

The fact that sexton and Priest have longer range and need 2 hit instead of 1 is not a "big difference" either