Osttruppen Discussion and Feedback

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 00:18 AMJibberJabberJobber

I voted for call-in with T1 requirement.

I'd set it up as follows:

• BP1 cost change reverted from 50 to 40 fuel, fuel cost moved back to T1.
  
• Osttruppen and Assault Grenadiers require T1 built before they can be called in.
  
• Assault Grenadier cost from 280 to 260 manpower.
  
• Recharge times and everything else remains the same.
  

This has the most benefits and not many drawbacks:

• 2 MG42 + 2 Pio builds and T1 with Osttruppen builds not affected (these are not considered problematic builds, nerfing these would just harm diversity, which is what more expensive Osttruppen / BP1 would do).
  
• Good timing delay on MG42 + 3 Osttruppen builds (1:53 T1 vs 1:48 35sec 220mp vs 1:35 live). Also, most of the added cost is upfront and the Pioneers will be busy building T1 at the start (all add up to a less oppressive early game). MG42 + 3 Gren builds take 2:42 to field.
  
• Panzergrenadiers and T2 delayed for Osttruppen and Assault Grenadier builds.
  
• Wouldn't be just a straight up cost nerf to MG42 + 3 Osttruppen builds, but give access to earlier Faust and T1 units.
  

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 18:29 PMTiger Baron

If they're going to be different units with different ways of calling in at least give them different weapons and abilities like the Panzerbüsche 39 AT rifles and merge or something.

Like it doesn't at least make sense to me that basically the same unit is just being called in differently due to being in different commanders.

Make them unique and distinguishable so people know there's an actual difference.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 18:29 PMTiger Baron

Panzerbüsche 39 AT rifles

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 19:08 PMHannibal

If Osttruppen are still too good, why not reduce their in-cover bonus while boosting their MG42 damage?

That way they could be toned down a little while even getting a late game boost to scale slightly better. Also the weapon upgrade would allow to replace lost Osttruppen better.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 19:27 PMWiderstreit

Why do people so often write "Panzerbüsche"? That isn't a German word. xD

It is Büchse, with ch. Büsche is the plural of Busch, meaning bushes. xD

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 20:08 PMKatitof

Because largest smartass on the forums does not know german and doesn't realize he can correct all these people to say Buchse instead (don't give a crap about finding umlaut, so imagine the dots where they need to be).

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 20:16 PMWiderstreit

It isn't because of Umlaut, it is because sch instead of ch. If you don't find Umlaut then us ue, ae, or oe instead. Instead of ß use ss or sz. It's a hand full of words, I think it isn't so difficult to learn them. ^^

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 20:16 PMWiderstreit

I think it isn't so difficult to learn them

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 00:13 AMthedarkarmadillo

Add em to t0 and have em build- they may even be in order for some nerf roll backs then to return them closer to their manpower effecient defenders role

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 20:08 PMKatitof

Its not their damage, its their map control that's the problem.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 23:32 PMKiwiBirb

How about a rework of how they function?

Goal of rework: make Osttruppen arrive slightly later and be less powerful alone but more powerful when mixed in to a build

Rework idea:
Require T1 built
Accuracy decreased by 10%
Osttruppen gain +15% accuracy when within 20m of a mainline infantry squad (Panzergrenadiers and Grenadiers), shown as a passive ability in the UI named “disheartened infantry” that states “disheartened troops fight poorly when no supporting infantry units are nearby”

Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2020, 00:01 AMHannibal

These auras look nice on paper, but usually lead to blobs of doom (that's why the Sturmoffizier was reworked as well). Hard to tell how ot would be for Osttruppen though since they work very very bad as moving blobs.

Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2020, 00:01 AMHannibal

These auras look nice on paper, but usually lead to blobs of doom (that's why the Sturmoffizier was reworked as well). Hard to tell how ot would be for Osttruppen though since they work very very bad as moving blobs.

Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2020, 02:24 AMPip

I feel as though forcing Osttruppen to be close to other infantry to be able to fight correctly is a bit of a poor idea.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 23:32 PMKiwiBirb

How about a rework of how they function?

Goal of rework: make Osttruppen arrive slightly later and be less powerful alone but more powerful when mixed in to a build

Rework idea:
Require T1 built
Accuracy decreased by 10%
Osttruppen gain +15% accuracy when within 20m of a mainline infantry squad (Panzergrenadiers and Grenadiers), shown as a passive ability in the UI named “disheartened infantry” that states “disheartened troops fight poorly when no supporting infantry units are nearby”