[Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2020, 11:03 AMVipper

It easier to indemnify the animation of rockets

PTRS have a visual queue one can see the the entity changing magazine, it is harder to spot but it there. Or one can simply counter the shots there fire 6. One can even move after each shot since the CD is around 2 secs.

Piat do have a visual queue for reloading.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2020, 16:05 PMVipper

Actually you are missing. A blob with a single unit type that has both AI and AT is worse than blob of different type of units.

That is the reason VGs lost their shrecks.

There no reason to allow Penals to operate on the own and counter both infatry and vehicles.

The idea that a mainline infatry should dominate all enemy infatry of it time, blow things up then shut down light vehicles and help vs mediums is simply bad design.

Current T1 design is bad and expecting Penals to pull all the weight of the flawed design is an even solution.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2020, 16:19 PMüber alles

Early game is insanely in favor of the German as a soviet

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2020, 21:32 PMKT610

Any thoughts on giving Penals access to Dp-28s? I would be more willing to take Penals over cons if they got some anti-infantry upgrades as an alternative to PTRS.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2020, 22:49 PMKatitof

Soviets have enough LMG units.
They may be doctrinal, but they don't need any stock ones.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2020, 23:54 PMMr. Someguy

They have 2. I'd like to see more because the DP was a common weapon, but I understand why it would break the synergy of Soviets = Close vs Germans = Long.

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 00:05 AMPip

"Ally Close/Axis Long" sort of went out the window when Brits were released. There's no need to strictly stick to that anymore.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2020, 16:05 PMVipper

Actually you are missing. A blob with a single unit type that has both AI and AT is worse than blob of different type of units.

That is the reason VGs lost their shrecks.

There no reason to allow Penals to operate on the own and counter both infatry and vehicles.

The idea that a mainline infatry should dominate all enemy infatry of it time, blow things up then shut down light vehicles and help vs mediums is simply bad design.

Current T1 design is bad and expecting Penals to pull all the weight of the flawed design is an even solution.

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 00:35 AMMr. Someguy

I said Soviets.

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 00:47 AMFunPolice

So should we look to nerf riflemen because they can be AI and AT in a blob? Is putting zooks on a riflemen squad and blobbing with normal riflemen really that much of an issue?

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2020, 21:21 PMblvckdream

Only really applies to Ostheer as they can just cheese Soviets endlessly in the early game. It's more fun/playable against OKW.

Unfortunately, I don't see how the new patch changes this.

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 01:47 AMProtos Angelus

Somebody is putting zooks on rifles? Is that some sort of "I want to lose" tactics? Rifles are pretty munitions greedy for BARs to be effective late game. Zooks are only ever suited for echelons and rangers (Seldom paras). Who would in their right mind blob rifle zooks. That would be a huge munitions bleed that would lead to MP bleed without actually killing any tanks (unless the enemy is not paying attention)

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 00:36 AMthedarkarmadillo

Nothing complements an aggressive semi automatic rifle infantry with a hyper close range explosive and increased stats for every man lost like a long range, static weapon best suited for sitting in cover...

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 00:47 AMFunPolice

So should we look to nerf riflemen because they can be AI and AT in a blob? Is putting zooks on a riflemen squad and blobbing with normal riflemen really that much of an issue? Because it would preform in a similar manner to Penals being blobbed with only really difference that the riflemen would be backed up by AT guns/MGs while Penals get squat. I'm all for toning down the AT satchel to be less of a hard counter to LVs if it means Penals could have a snare without the need for PTRS. With how lacking Penal builds are in terms of support weapons or just AT in general it's something that needs to be addressed.

I honestly could care less how it gets solved. Make the SU76 easier to get/use, make it easier to backtech to T2, gives penals snares, or whatever else. The bottom line is that unless something else is done Penals will need to be very flexible in what they do as it's the primary reason you go T1. Otherwise Penal builds are still gonna be niche options only used with commanders that have the 45mm because that gives them some actual form of AT to make it till later on.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2020, 16:19 PMüber alles

Soviet inf and support need a buff, and what I see in those patch are conscript nerf, what the hell

Early game is insanely in favor of the German as a soviet

This useless maxim needs so long to ping other infantery is crazy

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 03:25 AMKT610

1. Riflemen are also aggressive semi automatic rifle infantry that can be given LMGs. Sure most of the time its better to give them BARS, but Some Maps favor LMGS.

this is true. I'll pm you next time I see lmg rifles

2. Obers get bundle grenades a Strong short range explosive and they get LMGs

the bundled nade is not a hyper close range nade. It's a normal ranged nade. And if you look closely the Ober lmg fires on the move which allows them to be aggressive. If you look closer you'll see that obers are bolt action infantry and not designed to get up in the enemies face, ON the contrary they are designed to excel at range...

3. "To the Last Man" buffs the squad as men die it does not matter if die at max or close range the sqaud still gets the buffs

it's designed to be in line with their due trying theme. The buffs are universally strong but it's there for the risk reward aspect

4. By vet3 penals gain two +30% accuracy and would be quite strong upgraded with DP-28s

Giving Penals more Tactical flexibility would help them come back into the meta.

it's not in the role of the unit nor the theme of the faction. Sitting back and plinking away is the job of conscripts not penals.

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 13:47 PMthedarkarmadillo

it's not in the role of the unit nor the theme of the faction. Sitting back and plinking away is the job of conscripts not penals.