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Sorry, but have you ever played Axis? I mean, have you ever heard of Mills Bomb? Or Gammon Bomb? Do you know Commandos or 6 men Shocktroops? Or maybe you have played USF, then you should know 6 men Airborne Rangers with Thompson and cooked 1 second grenade. I dont know if I should laugh or cry about you post, but it's definitely not serious, just a bad joke....
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Have you noticed how none of what you've mentioned is early game and stock?
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Light gammon bomb is early game and stock for UKF for eight months now.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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LMG Grens suck at attacking entrenched positions where they'Il walk into mines and sandbags, but the faction has plenty of tools to deal with it.
So all I can think of for Grens is rewarding them for having taken up a good defensive position and helping them fend off assaults. Sandbags are out of question, but there are other ways to do it:
- Making the Ostheer bunker 50mp and moving 100mp to the upgrades. Grenadiers now have the option for a more fragile trench they have to pay for, but it can't be stolen.
- Giving their Kar98k's better accuracy against suppressed squads, from 50% to 75%, to promote combined arms with the MG42.
They're Elchino's ideas, which I really like.
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Like what?
The tools to counter bunker are allot and early
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Early game:
Mortar, Sniper, Panzergrenadiers, FHT, 222.
Lategame:
All the AI tanks, but especially the Brummbar. New vet 1 on Panzerwerfer will also help.
The bunker would be a temporary measure to delay and distract.
Trading a 45 muni satchel for a 50mp bunker isn't too bad a deal if it means you can bleed him heavily on the approach, but ideally he can't close in because you have an MG42 covering it. He'd have to get a proper counter like an AT gun or light vehicle and find an opportunity to kill it.
It would take some time, but players would find a use for it. Right now bunkers are useless except for covering VPs in the lategame when both armies are popcapped.
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Early game:
Mortar, Sniper
Panzergrenadiers, FHT, 222.
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Also poor 4 man grens getting no love this patch.
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The problem with Ostheer is that they are a defensive oriented faction and are terrible at attacking.
The changes making the pace of the game faster, the high lethality of allied infatry, the weaker mortars, the reduced shock value of PzIV and allied tech more accessible have amplified the problem.
That is why the have to use specific aggressive commanders like assault grenadiers, 5 men grenadiers/fast 250 or fast capping commander like ostruppen, in order to secure sector else they are simply strangled.
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Meta units will be adjusted if necessary, but how would you buff LMG Grens:
early / mid / late game?
raw firepower / bleed / durability / scalability / utility?
The G43 upgrade won't be touched for now.
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How about the LMG 42 gives grens a suppressive fire ability like what Obers get at vet 4
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Obers are a late game arriving unit, expensive and generally see 1 or at most 2 of them.
We removed suppression capabilities from main lines for a reason (that 1 patch Grenadiers had passive suppression), Rifles 1919 and RET volley fire was nerfed into the ground.
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That's a good point. I think real problem for LMG42 Grens is the fact Sections and rifleman can be upgraded to easily out gun them, but if the weapon slots for Sections and riflemen were reduced to one then the LMG42 would become more viable.
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i dont know about rifle but a rework on section is very needed, indeed.
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Double bar Riflemen make Paras and rangers redundant which Hurts Airborne company, Heavy Calvary, and Urban Assault if these doctrines are going to make a came back riflemen gotta be toned down. To make up for the having only 1 weapon slot riflemen cost could be lowered to 270MP, and RE given access to real land mines.
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The problem with Ostheer is that they are a defensive oriented faction and are terrible at attacking.
The changes making the pace of the game faster, the high lethality of allied infatry, the weaker mortars, the reduced shock value of PzIV and allied tech more accessible have amplified the problem.
That is why the have to use specific aggressive commanders like assault grenadiers, 5 men grenadiers/fast 250 or fast capping commander like ostruppen, in order to secure sector else they are simply strangled.
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i think at best delay the second BAR until major will be enough, limited to 1 BAR will basically scrap rifle's late game scaling.
Suggestion:
rifleman weapon slot from 2 to 1, major dispatch now unlock an upgrade for the second BAR for same price. Same can be consider for section with company CP unlock the second Bren upgrade.
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