[Winter Balance Update] OST Feedback

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2021, 19:22 PMMr Carmine

The only ones that should even have them are conscripts. And maybe sections cuz royal engineers come out a while later. Other then that rear echelons pio,s and sturms should have them, no other main lines.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2021, 20:16 PMthedarkarmadillo

I too feel this way. Ostroppen as well though as their role is similar to that of cons and they are dependent on cover.
And let's give RE some proper bags please....
Maybe a change to tank traps so they are more difficult to destroy and take longer to throw up as consequence. But let sweeper engies dismantle em

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2021, 07:04 AMVipper

In your opinion are grenadier the cheapest infatry or not?

If they are I am all ear for the arguments, if they are not we agree.

Jump back to quoted post10 Jan 2021, 22:27 PMKatitof

So.... opening that is not optimal, never was and never is going to be, because faction doesn't operate like that is a not viable option at competitive level?

That's shocking news!
Said no one.

Grenspam never was and never will be viable strat.
I have no idea why do you cling to it like a flex tape to a crack.

Are you trying to prove some point by repeating how BO that never was meant to work and is stupid idea above rank 500 is not working?

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2021, 21:15 PMelchino7

They are the cheapest stock main line infantry and the hardest to use effectively outside of doctrinal abilities. Been the cheapest doesn't meant it's good by default, same that assuming that spamming Grenadiers only as other faction do on their opening should be effective at all.

Can't you just be honest and admit that the WC2019 argument was bad? For someone who worries so much about precision, it doesn't make your argument worst for admitting it.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2021, 21:47 PMVipper

How are the cheapest mainline infatry? they cost 240 which is the same as conscripts.

To actually get grenadier one has to build a T1 first.

So no I do not see how they are cheapest infantry.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2021, 21:15 PMelchino7

They are the cheapest stock main line infantry and the hardest to use effectively outside of doctrinal abilities. Been the cheapest doesn't meant it's good by default, same that assuming that spamming Grenadiers only as other faction do on their opening should be effective at all.

Can't you just be honest and admit that the WC2019 argument was bad? For someone who worries so much about precision, it doesn't make your argument worst for admitting it.



Only a Sith deals with absolutes. Specially for a 7/8 year old game. Gren spam WAS a thing. Which will probable never return unless something weird is done to G43 package.


For those talking about sandbags, it's more likely that the direction the mod team will take is to nerf sandbag spam rather than making it easier and more available.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2021, 22:05 PMelchino7

That Cons cost 240mp as well, doesn't mean that it doesn't make them the cheapest as well. They just share that position.


And once you start to include tech into the discussion, it has been brought up before how this mud the discussion because now we enter a different realm on which you can't just compare units in isolation rather than builds.

Since it seems you don't want to acknowledge my previous point and the direction this discussion goes, i'll cut it here. Have a good day.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2021, 22:36 PMVipper

Cheapest infatry are conscripts and Grenadiers that sum it up for me.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2021, 22:06 PMProtos Angelus

Saying that only a Sith deals in absolutes is by itself, an absolute... thus you are a Sith.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2021, 23:11 PMelchino7

Would you expect anything else from the mods? We embrace both the light and the darkness. That's the only way to remain sane.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2021, 21:15 PMelchino7

Only a Sith deals with absolutes. Specially for a 7/8 year old game. Gren spam WAS a thing. Which will probable never return unless something weird is done to G43 package.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2021, 22:33 PMKiwiBirb

Ost has 2 problems.
1) Grenadiers and and the mg42 do not synergize well. If your MG is being flanked, you want close range DPS to make the flanking unit back off.
2) Grenadiers cannot build sandbags. This means that you take a lot more damage while defending, causing more retreats and more bleed

The second problem could be fixed by building more pioneers, but because they have SMGs they cannot provide combat value without charging and bleeding a lot. This is even worse because their reinforce cost is 20mp and their near dps is low, only the amount of a bolt rifle at near.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2021, 09:35 AMKyle

How about we " remake " Ostheer bunker?

Cost 0 MP to build like a trench but if you want to upgrade it will cost 150 MP + 60 Muni for whatever you want?

When jump into those bunker it will lower the range and smaller arc of fire for infantry inside there?

Just a suggestion, I know it's not bright but then tbh I don't think we ever see Grenadier build bunker in 1vs1 / 2vs2 in front line.

I understand dev team don't like mainline infantry to spam sandbags but it's in the core design of Infantry Section + Conscript + Volksgrenadier now (Meaning 3 out of 5 factions).

USF Rifleman might not able to build sandbags but they make up for their early game with good firepower compare to Grenadier weak until they get 60 muni to get their LMG42.

Trying to get some ideals here that's all

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2021, 11:21 AMAarotron

O mp bunker would perhaps spamming them worse as one could just throw them left and right and upgrade when resources are on hand.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2021, 12:11 PMKyle

Yeah kinda true, not a good ideal I guess....

Maybe just let Grenadier be able to build sandbags but slower compare to pio building then (Or maybe trench?)

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2021, 12:24 PMVipper

bunker could have a price from 25-50 MP