[Winter Balance Update] OST Feedback

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 05:38 AMmrgame2

who say i cant? that is besides a pakwall + panther cost tons more. and pak are getting nerfs against rushing sov infantry!

im saying su85 is way too cost effective. 60TD are just too dominant in 2v2.

su85 30% to 20% vet nerf is the bare minimum. then they had to deduct brumbar armor for no reasons, while free passes to KV and Churchills and BD Shermans!

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 17:21 PMgbem

a pak wall + panther? yeah...

but 1 pak 40 alone can push off the SU-85 already... thats much cheaper than an SU-85

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 17:24 PMthekingsown10

No tank destroyer should be able to self spot though, its just bad design . It would go a long way in balancing the TD meta .

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 17:24 PMthekingsown10

No tank destroyer should be able to self spot though, its just bad design . It would go a long way in balancing the TD meta .

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 18:27 PMVipper

Spotting scopes on Elefant became almost pointless as means to self-spot once the delay was added.

The unit requires other unit to spot in most cases.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 17:08 PMthekingsown10

I'm supprised no one here has mentioned the STUG III ASSAULT GUN . It is in a horrible spot and a good runner to be the most useless unit in the game.

I think it's best to make the stug 3 similar in role to the m8 motor carriage that relies on long range focused bombardment.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 18:27 PMVipper

Spotting scopes on Elefant became almost pointless as means to self-spot once the delay was added.

The unit requires other unit to spot in most cases.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 18:40 PMLetzte Bataillon

Do you mean the doctrinal Stug III G with the exploding shells? I agree it is one of the doctrinal units that feel half-finished, like the PzIV Command Tank.


Otherwise, the standard Stug III has great value and can punch above its weight.




Indeed, as small position adjustments are often needed, the Elefant's scope isn't 100% reliable and its better to keep an actual recon vehicle close by. It's still a nice extra feature to have, of course.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 17:25 PMKatitof

Agree, command panther should not have 50 sight range anymore.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 19:55 PMthekingsown10

Spotting scopes is a doctrine choice and should be allowed. Allow me to rephrase my previous post statement..

No TD at STOCK should be able to self spot for itself... if you want to spam TD's then you should at least have a spotter for them. This would also help solve the problem the panther tank is also having now as it will have more opportunities to actually flank and punish TD's that push to far forward.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 21:14 PMMr Carmine

We need to look at the faction each td is in. The t34 being the weakest out of all the mediums justyfies the su85 being so good with is balanced spotting ability. Same as the mg42 being so good cuz grens arent on par with other mainline in effectiveness.

The su85 focused sight is well balanced, it has a cooldown a speed penalty and looses its 360 vision but wich is counteracted by any unit nearby ofcource.

The su85 also has only 1 role and that is fight armour, both panthers and even the stug no matter how effective can fight infantry, panthers can slug it out with any heavy allies have.

And if the su85 should loose the spotting wich imo it shoudnt. What does it get in return? More flares? Twp like ability? Switchable rounds? Or 260 armour?

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 21:14 PMMr Carmine

We need to look at the faction each td is in. The t34 being the weakest out of all the mediums justyfies the su85 being so good with is balanced spotting ability. Same as the mg42 being so good cuz grens arent on par with other mainline in effectiveness.

The su85 focused sight is well balanced, it has a cooldown a speed penalty and looses its 360 vision but wich is counteracted by any unit nearby ofcource.

The su85 also has only 1 role and that is fight armour, both panthers and even the stug no matter how effective can fight infantry, panthers can slug it out with any heavy allies have.

And if the su85 should loose the spotting wich imo it shoudnt. What does it get in return? More flares? Twp like ability? Switchable rounds? Or 260 armour?

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 22:44 PMthekingsown10

It shouldn't be replaced with anything to do with vision that's for sure!. The whole TD self spotting at stock meta really should go . If you were to give it something else than that would just cause problems again. The SU85 gun is amazing and it has range what more could you want ? having self spotting is just over the top.

Having it's sight narrowed really does nothing because any unit nearby will provide 360 vision. I honestly think to really improve coh there should be less of 1 unit that does everything and anything.. and more focus on unit teamwork and combined arms to win the day.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2021, 02:21 AMmrgame2

and also to stop crying about spotting scopes on elefant!

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 19:18 PMThamor

Agree SU-85 "spotting scope" should be removed. Good job katitof u are helpful.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 19:55 PMthekingsown10

This would also help solve the problem the panther tank is also having now as it will have more opportunities to actually flank and punish TD's that push to far forward.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2021, 02:34 AMgbem

im sorry but the elephant alone is a huge problem already in 4v4 teamgames... JT/ISU/ELE are all huge problems in 4v4s...

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 22:44 PMVipper

Focus sight on it own would be probably ok if it was a timed ability and not a toggle.

Combined with tracking is simply silly. But this a thread for Ostheer.