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some makes a fuss about spotting scopes, but why ukf tank commander vision are not look into? or su85 focus sight?
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Probably because they are attending to the more obviously op things to bring them back in line
E.g. su85 nerf as well.
I think the patch is doing a fine job of making small changes that won't upset the apple cart but deals with outliers
Conscripts
Sandbag build time from 13 seconds to 18
Veterancy 1 grants +35% increased build speed
Mobilized reserves munition upgrade to the squad Reserves no longer grants +20% veterancy gain.
Mobilized Reserves now grants +20% veterancy gain to Conscripts and Penal Battalion.
Reverted change to veterancy gain; now once again gain +20% veterancy when upgraded.
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Posts: 1979
su85 brought in line,
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the SU-85 was never a problem... in fact the JT/ELE/ISU were all much bigger fishes to fry for teamgames... but only the ISU got nerfed for some reason
Posts: 1979
It lost 10 range on its AI shells, a capability the others in its class never had in the first place.
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well the point is the JT/ELE/ISU are all cancerous units in 4v4 teamgames... and id rather see all 3 of them nerfed especially when considering that its counters just got some nerfs...
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the SU-85 was never a problem... in fact the JT/ELE/ISU were all much bigger fishes to fry for teamgames... but only the ISU got nerfed for some reason
Posts: 1979
4v4 is all about fun. nerfing those heavies for 4v4 will make them useless in 2v2.
besides countering those heavies in 4v4 is nothing special.
Posts: 1979
su85 is a problem in 2v2, especially laney maps.
su85 is dirt cheap for this performance and vet abilities. while it is fixed turret, it is fast to hunt down retreating tanks!
while i accept brumbar nerf to its bunker buster, taking another 10 from armor is too much.
basically this tip about 60TD!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jChxhrws9S8
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if you cant beat the SU-85 with a pakwall + panther then im afraid thats on you...
Posts: 356
I don't think vanilla stock 5 man grens is ever gonna be a thing.
Posts: 177
su85 is a problem in 2v2, especially laney maps.
su85 is dirt cheap for this performance and vet abilities. while it is fixed turret, it is fast to hunt down retreating tanks!
while i accept brumbar nerf to its bunker buster, taking another 10 from armor is too much.
basically this tip about 60TD!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jChxhrws9S8
Posts: 1794
with panther acc buff it should counter su-85 more easier than before cause it won't make a missing shot.
I think multiple TD are easier to counter than multiple panther in team mode.
example
4x panther vs 5x su-85 if panther run though them I think only 1 panther will lose .since su-85 have no turret they have no chance when panther can closed.
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with panther acc buff it should counter su-85 more easier than before cause it won't make a missing shot.
I think multiple TD are easier to counter than multiple panther in team mode.
example
4x panther vs 5x su-85 if panther run though them I think only 1 panther will lose .since su-85 have no turret they have no chance when panther can closed.
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That is simply incorrect:
A Panther firing on SU-85 at range 50 has 72% chance to score direct hit if stationary.
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ya SU85 is greatness.
I dont delve into stats, but in actual plays, i can tell.
I wonder if you flip the question around, how much % can SU85 fire back at panther from 50 range.
Also iirc SU85 rate of fire is better!
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Yes that is the thing. su85 brought in line, then subsequent followup to nerf brumbar, back to square 1.1!
and replacing vsl with stg as shown, made a drastic impact on their firepower as a doctrine ability. we already removed the RA bonus without any compensation!
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Panther has about a third more hp, panther will pen every shot that hits, su85 pens about 88% at vet 0 if i did my math right.
Su85 can selfspot at the cost of speed and mobility and 360 vision. Has no ai and no turret, but 60 range and decent to good rof esp vetted.
The panther has a turret, more armour and hp, ai , a pintle , high pen, 50 range wich is 10 less the su85 but 10 more then medsiums, decent rof to good rof when vetted, heavy crush greatly increasing its mobility, and until vet 3 the panther is faster and turns faster.
So if the su85 is greatness the panther is godlike.
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