[Winter Balance Update] OST Feedback

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 15:15 PMPip

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Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 18:16 PMWiderstreit

Yep, that is the problem of Osttruppen.

Without changing Grens and Osttruppen, the problem will not be fixed.


Osttruppen have to become more expensive and buffed in ther def. task; Grens need to become more aggressive with e.g. a shock grenade.

-> So Osttruppen + Grens work well, while Grens + PnzGren still stay attractive.

Its not about making Osttruppen better, it is to give Osttruppen the chance to become better by price -> like I posted.

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 18:29 PMPip

If your goal is to have a squad who can assault while Osttruppen defend, you'll always be better off with Panzergrenadiers than with Grenadiers, I'm afraid. I'm just not sure if there's room for both Grens and Osttruppen in an Ostheer lineup if Grenadiers remain the same sort of unit as they are now. Even with a stun grenade they're not going to be terribly effective "Assault" infantry.

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 20:05 PMStijndee

Can we quickly fix the buttons for x and z for the faust and rifle nade back to original state

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 13:40 PMcheese tonkatsu

1. Brummber
You nerf scott and t70 like that. Nerf brummbar like this?

It just walk into the atgs and destroy em with one shot or two.
Nerf its armor. Nerf its damage. Add target number limit on this, not on t70.
Nerf its range to 35 like you did on 105 bulldozer which has slower shell, narrow aoe, lower armor.

2. medic bunker
increase its cost. don't combine ability with command bunker too cheap

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 22:43 PMcheese tonkatsu

..Nerf its range to 35 like you did on 105 bulldozer which has slower shell,...

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 20:43 PMSander93

That is intentional, as a QoL effort to have all or at least most snares on the same UI button. Especially for the Panzerfaust for OKW and OST, as they are switched for no apparent reason. It's not in the notes yet.

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 23:39 PMGiaA

I personally don't care about grid keys but changing any hotkeys 7 years after the release of the game is the opposite of a QOL change.

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2020, 10:26 AMHannibal

StuG TWP
-> I think it is too strong. This could allow a lucky StuG to kill a medium without too much reaction time (shoot, insta-stun, third hit is still within stun time, fourth hit needs to be a bit lucky in the pursuit but nothing extraordinary)..

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2020, 10:42 AMSander93

StuG ausf.F TWP (now called HEAT Shell) doesn't stun, it disables the gun/turret and vision. Since the StuG isn't a vehicle that can easily chase, it should be easy for any medium to escape. The ability also forces a reload, which is why it's deemed okay to give it full 160 damage.

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2020, 11:08 AMJibberJabberJobber

Be aware the 2 different approaches for Osttruppen are just to speed up testing.

At some point a definitive approach will be chosen that will apply to both commanders.

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2020, 13:53 PMSmartie

The idea of 2 different approaches for a certain unit / ability is great and will save a lot of time. I hope you boys do the same again when you work on the commander rework patch.

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2020, 18:34 PMShuter_FR

Hi,

I see nothing about Brummbar shielding, you think this unit have enough shield or need more ?
Because 0 penetration in 8 Shoots with a Sherman or useless Bazooka against.
This unit maybe need some nerf

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2020, 20:21 PMKurobane

The Main Reason why people are going Ostruppen Strategies is because Grenadiers bleed your manpower dry. Grenadiers should be made more attractive. Ostruppen should feel optional not mandatory to get by the early game.

I would propose a Vet "Smoothing" or reshuffle so to speak. Right Now Grenadiers have

Vet 1 : Unlocks the "Field First Aid" ability.
Vet 2 : +40% accuracy.
Vet 3 :-20% weapon cooldown.
-25% recharge time of the Panzerfaust.
-20% received damage.

I would propose

Vet 1: -10% received damage
Vet 2: -10% received damage
Vet 3: +40% Accuracy
-20% Weapon Cooldown
-25% recharge time of Panzerfaust

Grenadiers would perform the same at Vet 3 but early on they will bleed less at the expense of putting its big damage spike at Vet 3 and also help from losing squads during retreat early on.