UKF and USF Pioneers can also equipped with Sweepers and Bazookas, so why shouldn't Sturmpioneers be able to be equipped with a Panzerschreck after upgrading them with Sweepers ?
At the moment Panzerschreck on Sturmpioneers is a rare sight anyways, because you usually get a minesweeper.
It wouldn't be even a OP combination ( in my opinion ) , as one single Panzerschreck is ... mediocre at best anyways and also takes 1/4 of the units AI DPS. And since the Sweeper also takes 1/4 again when being equipped it would mean that this unit would basically lose its AI capability in order to perform more as a Support unit.
Sturmpioneers: Panzerschreck + minesweeper ?
14 Aug 2020, 11:26 AM
#1
Posts: 518
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
Playing with randoms
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.
Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
14 Aug 2020, 11:43 AM
#2
Posts: 498
It has been suggested many times, but apart from 'may look into it', no further remarks on it from the community devs...
(personally I would allow flamers + sweeper too on the other factions' engineers, but thats an another topic)
(personally I would allow flamers + sweeper too on the other factions' engineers, but thats an another topic)
14 Aug 2020, 11:55 AM
#3
Posts: 2243
Most argue from this forum was always:
because the sturmpios can backpack their sweeper
and asymmetric balance 
because the sturmpios can backpack their sweeper
and asymmetric balance
14 Aug 2020, 13:08 PM
#4
Posts: 306
i would rather make it possible to backpack the panzerschreck, but still loose the sweeper, like in Ardennes assault
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14 Aug 2020, 13:12 PM
#5
Posts: 498
i would rather make it possible to backpack the panzerschreck, but still loose the sweeper, like in Ardennes assault
Ugh, those rangers. However I clearly remember that holstering panzerschrecks had some bugs in AA campaign, so better avoid that approach. Just look at how long it took to fix the panzerfüsiliers dropping one of their schrecks...
14 Aug 2020, 16:04 PM
#6
Posts: 353
You want Both ? But must trade off By remove Minesweeper Repair Bonus ok ?
14 Aug 2020, 16:06 PM
#7
Posts: 999 | Subs: 1
this idea has come up multiple times over the years and i'd say it would be worth a try at least. some adjustments to vet requirements and repair speed might be necessary but apart from that, i don't see any truly game-breaking potential if this were to be implemented.
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14 Aug 2020, 16:15 PM
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Ugh, those rangers. However I clearly remember that holstering panzerschrecks had some bugs in AA campaign, so better avoid that approach.
Yeah, that code is not good. I found another method that works for non-droppable weapons. If there's any interest, I could test more approaches for weapons that can be dropped. Maybe someone else has already done it, though?
14 Aug 2020, 17:14 PM
#9
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
this idea has come up multiple times over the years and i'd say it would be worth a try at least. some adjustments to vet requirements and repair speed might be necessary but apart from that, i don't see any truly game-breaking potential if this were to be implemented.
I don't think vet adjustments are required after AT xp gain has already been nerfed. I do think the AT upgrade should remove the bonus repair speed from the sweeper upgrade.
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14 Aug 2020, 22:57 PM
#10
Posts: 789
You want Both ? But must trade off By remove Minesweeper Repair Bonus ok ?
Why? Schreck already gives the same repair speed bonus ans the minsweeper upgrade does, and if you could upgrade both the sweeper and schreck the tradeoff of getting both upgrades would be the loss od 50% of your dps
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15 Aug 2020, 01:17 AM
#11
Posts: 3053
Why? Schreck already gives the same repair speed bonus ans the minsweeper upgrade does, and if you could upgrade both the sweeper and schreck the tradeoff of getting both upgrades would be the loss od 50% of your dps
Tradeoff of getting PIATs and sweeper or zooks and sweeper is the loss of either 75% or 60% of your DPS and they don't get a repair bonus either.
I'd be fine with sweeper + schreck otherwise though.
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15 Aug 2020, 02:20 AM
#12
Posts: 4928
A Panzerschreck is a lot more reliable than a Bazooka or PIAT though.
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15 Aug 2020, 05:07 AM
#13
Posts: 518
You want Both ? But must trade off By remove Minesweeper Repair Bonus ok ?
OKW is already in a worse situation than allied factions when it comes to repairing. USF can make their crew repair the tank, Soviets get cheap pioneers and can get doctrinal repair stations, crew repair and repair ability on conscripts, UKF can also get Doctrinal crew Repair and can make their Pioneers repair almost as fast as OKW pioneers.
OKW gets repair on mech HQ and the repair ability on the Sturmtiger commander. Better than nothing of course, but the Increased repair speed when getting sweepers is still neeeded.
And Royal engineers also don't lose their extra repair speed they get with the Vickers Upgrade when being equipped with Piats as far as I know.
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
Playing with randoms
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.
Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
15 Aug 2020, 06:13 AM
#14
Posts: 789
A Panzerschreck is a lot more reliable than a Bazooka or PIAT though.
I'd agree with that. however, you can get 2 PIATs on rear echelons and royal engineers while you can only get 1 panzerschreck on sturmpioneers
Most of my ideas are probably bad, - but I try and share lots of them
and maybe some of them will be good an improve the game
One can hope
and maybe some of them will be good an improve the game
One can hope
15 Aug 2020, 06:47 AM
#15
Posts: 783
Why? Schreck already gives the same repair speed bonus ans the minsweeper upgrade does, and if you could upgrade both the sweeper and schreck the tradeoff of getting both upgrades would be the loss od 50% of your dps
Wait, since when did the shreck upgrade give a repair speed bonus?
15 Aug 2020, 06:51 AM
#16
Posts: 1289
OKW is already in a worse situation than allied factions when it comes to repairing. USF can make their crew repair the tank, Soviets get cheap pioneers and can get doctrinal repair stations, crew repair and repair ability on conscripts, UKF can also get Doctrinal crew Repair and can make their Pioneers repair almost as fast as OKW pioneers.
OKW gets repair on mech HQ and the repair ability on the Sturmtiger commander. Better than nothing of course, but the Increased repair speed when getting sweepers is still neeeded.
And Royal engineers also don't lose their extra repair speed they get with the Vickers Upgrade when being equipped with Piats as far as I know.
As a counter balance to be worse off repairing. Okw has a repair station non doc. They have the toughest tanks out of the gate, not counting lv's and light's.
Their late game starts at 230 armour. Wich has quite a decent chance to bounce most non td or at gun shots. Unlike what allies have stock. Wich have very little chance to bounce at all. The exception is the comet. So this imo is not a good point to use for getting sweeper and shreck combination.
The shreck sweeper combi however should make sturms far less restricted to use. This imo is the real issue expensive and restricted in use.
The stowing away part should be locked out when the shreck is also upgraded next to the sweeper.
15 Aug 2020, 07:26 AM
#17
Posts: 4183 | Subs: 4
Don't all sweeper upgrades up the repair speed of all engineers now?
15 Aug 2020, 07:58 AM
#18
Posts: 518
As a counter balance to be worse off repairing. Okw has a repair station non doc.
The repair station is not mobile and should not be placed on the front so you first will have to move your tank across half the map ( which will take some time , especially with crippled engine)
Also when you went T1 you first gotta spend another 75 fuel
Their late game starts at 230 armour. Wich has quite a decent chance to bounce most non td or at gun shots.
Only the Panther really has a decent chance to bounce AT gun shots. And of course OKW tanks can bounce most non TD non doc tanks allies field. What do you expect? To pay 50 fuel less for a tank and to still be able to penetrate the enemy tank with ease?
Wich have very little chance to bounce at all. The exception is the comet.
The Comet isn't the only exception. There are the Churchill tanks that will get bounces too.
( and it is not like other allied non doc tanks will get no bounces at all )
Also it must be notet that allies also have access to doctrinal tanks which also will get a decent amount of bounces.
They have the toughest tanks out of the gate
And the allies have access to the Jackson, Su 85 and the Firefly. Three non doc tanks that can cause quite some problems to the "toughest tanks"
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
Playing with randoms
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.
Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
15 Aug 2020, 08:29 AM
#19
Posts: 518
Don't all sweeper upgrades up the repair speed of all engineers now?
Rear echelons don't seem to get a repair speed buff when equipped with sweepers ( testet with Cheat Commands mod ) . Don't know about the rest
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
Playing with randoms
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.
Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
15 Aug 2020, 08:46 AM
#20
Posts: 13496 | Subs: 1
Don't all sweeper upgrades up the repair speed of all engineers now?
CE/Pioneers/SP get a bonus. R.E. Ro.E do not get the bonus.
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