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ST does not benefit from HEAT shell or Panzer Commanders so there is not that much synergy within Commander.
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There is no other unit that would (without becoming hilariously overpowered). Elite Armor is good even with the Sturmtiger. Moving it to another doctrine would essentially be a nerf to whatever one it goes to.
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ST can easily go to :
Overwatch
Special Operation
Breakthrough
Scavenger
Feuestrum
Then the unit can be re-balanced...
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ST can easily go to :
Overwatch
Special Operation
Breakthrough
Scavenger
Feuestrum
Then the unit can be re-balanced...
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There is nothing that can replace it. Not within the scope of your argument (that the unit should synergise with other the other Elite Armor abilities).
And it can't be rebalanced within realistic terms either. It has gotten a lot of QoL buffs lately and it's good enough for casual play now. There's not much more that can be done within Relic's current scope of no major changes. Similar to a unit like the B4, it will just never be competitive due to its nature.
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And it can't be rebalanced within realistic terms either. It has gotten a lot of QoL buffs lately and it's good enough for casual play now. ... Similar to a unit like the B4, it will just never be competitive due to its nature.
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You couldn't be any more wrong, the AVRE is deffo not a unit that is easy to flank with. Even if it flanked successfully, it wouldn't be able to retreat alive.
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rrrrrrrright, the avre is now a easy flanking unit because ullu says so. Not sure if you ever used the unit. Based raw on speed max stats and using what ullu says as ground truth both units should be the best ever flanking unit ever!
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AVRE is simple the easier-to-use unit. It has very good mobility, automatic reload, high armor, turret, and has faster shot animation.
it's really easy to flank and to wipe retreating unit with it...while it is nearly impossible with a sturmtiger.
the sturmtiger need a faster shoot animation and reload like a AVRE...than it will be better
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can u quote the sentence where I said, that this both unit should be the best flanking unit ever?
it's really easy to flank and to wipe retreating unit with it...
it has the same flank abilty like any other tank since it has high armor and HP and even the same speed like other big tanks...
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You couldn't be any more wrong, the AVRE is deffo not a unit that is easy to flank with. Retreating units outspeed it. Even if it flanked successfully, it wouldn't be able to retreat alive.
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And it can't be rebalanced within realistic terms either. It has gotten a lot of QoL buffs lately and it's good enough for casual play now. There's not much more that can be done within Relic's current scope of no major changes. Similar to a unit like the B4, it will just never be competitive due to its nature.
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You can just fast drive forward shoot and drive back. For extra safety you can even use stock smoke on IS.
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Exactly, that's how to the units like Avre or Sturms. It is not designed as a flanking unit and it does not have the panther or comet flanking strengths.
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OK, there you go. If it's really easy according to you to flank and wipe retreating (!) units with what you say it's a high-speed high armour and high HP tank with the same flank abilities as any other big tanks, then they should be the best flanking unit ever as no other tanks can do all of that.
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