Nerf the Valentine

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2020, 22:06 PMSander93

It does have 0.75 moving accuracy but accuracy is not used when facing anti-tank guns or infantry. Also it has 7 speed which is indeed fast, but it's the same speed as units like the T-70 or the Stuart or the Cromwell.

It's a doctrinal unit, it's supposed to be good. Adjusting it further has to be done in a careful way. Nerfing its hitpoints to 400 so that it can get snared with one Faust would be a huge nerf. I would prefer baby steps and remove its oppressiveness (the fast call in and re-call in times) first before going after performance (which always has a good chance of ruining the unit).

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2020, 00:26 AMProtos Angelus

Another allies OP thread xD. You really complaining about Valentine? Puma easily kills it, snares make it useless. The whole point of that tank is to hit and run and you want to nerf that xD. Let me guess, you lost a game now and got outplayed by a brit with valentine and now are complaining here.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2020, 20:59 PMthedarkarmadillo

Build time or tech lock and it should be fine. It's got good performance but not overbearing.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2020, 18:21 PMSkysTheLimit

Can someone actually explain what's wrong with the moving acuraccy modifier? Instead of just saying the number seems too high?

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2020, 19:26 PMblvckdream

The standard value for tanks is 0.5 other than USF which has 0.75 because their theme is "mobility".

So why should the Valentine have 0.75? It's not fair considering the timing. It means it has a easier time hitting LVs+ medium tanks without stop-microing every shot. It's relevant against any vehicle so please elaborate how it doesn't matter?

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2020, 22:06 PMSander93

It does have 0.75 moving accuracy but accuracy is not used when facing anti-tank guns or infantry. Also it has 7 speed which is indeed fast, but it's the same speed as units like the T-70 or the Stuart or the Cromwell.

It's a doctrinal unit, it's supposed to be good. Adjusting it further has to be done in a careful way. Nerfing its hitpoints to 400 so that it can get snared with one Faust would be a huge nerf. I would prefer baby steps and remove its oppressiveness (the fast call in and re-call in times) first before going after performance (which always has a good chance of ruining the unit).

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2020, 19:26 PMblvckdream

The standard value for tanks is 0.5 other than USF which has 0.75 because their theme is "mobility".

So why should the Valentine have 0.75? It's not fair considering the timing. It means it has a easier time hitting LVs+ medium tanks without stop-microing every shot. It's relevant against any vehicle so please elaborate how it doesn't matter?

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2020, 21:50 PMSuperHansFan

I imagine because it's old role was one of a cruiser tank. Let's not forget on release Valentine had crush and worked as a mini medium and had enough firepower to pack a punch vs P4.

It's only now it's been phased into the command role. But in reality works as a doctrinal T70, just with no auto canon.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2020, 21:56 PMKatitof

And it still is.
It was given command tank name to justify limit of 1.
It is supposed to work as doctrinal beefed up stuart.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2020, 19:26 PMblvckdream

The standard value for tanks is 0.5 other than USF which has 0.75 because their theme is "mobility".

So why should the Valentine have 0.75? It's not fair considering the timing. It means it has a easier time hitting LVs+ medium tanks without stop-microing every shot. It's relevant against any vehicle so please elaborate how it doesn't matter?

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2020, 23:59 PMSkysTheLimit

Lol where do you see me saying anything close to "it doesn't matter"? I just said it's not OP. I asked for someone to explain how .75 moving accuracy makes it OP, which you still haven't done

I'm aware of what other tanks are, I'm aware that USF has better moving acc. Still has nothing to do with my question. I don't think it's too strong against lights, it arrives later than most of them

Against anything larger than that? It does 120 damage, 40 range, and has t34/76 penetration. Again, what's the issue here? Besides not being locked in tech/having a build time

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2020, 00:07 AMVipper

Once more the comparison with the T-34/76 makes little sense.

Valentines combines a number of stat like:
The mobility of light vehicle
The target size of light
Superior armor
Superior HP
A dual purpose role gun
Spotting
Smoke
A barrage

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2020, 00:09 AMSkysTheLimit

You seriously reading that as a t34 comparison? I mention it once in the entire post, and it was LITERALLY only to provide reference for the penetration value to a common unit that everyone uses

You could not have possibly misrepresented that post more