Intel bulletins

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 16:34 PMTaksin02

and some people are able to use stack bulletins in 2019,thought they were removed long time ago

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 18:43 PMOsinyagov

It was discussed hundred and hundred times. I want to see some changes with bulletins too, because lots of them are useless, some doesn't work at all, but balance team and Relic didn't pay to much attention about bulletins system. I still have somewhere collected suggestions and ideas for bulletins system

Bulletins can be modified, i remember at least one bulletin change since community got an opportunity to tweak the game. It was supression bulletin for Maxim.

But i can't say anything about adding new ones, since the last bulletins were added in 2016 iirc, before community start to make patches.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 16:34 PMTaksin02

and some people are able to use stack bulletins in 2019,thought they were removed long time ago

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 07:52 AMJulianSnow

Hmm, yea the maxim bulletin seems to add only 1% suppression isntead of the 5% it says. Does the mod team read these fora or is there another way to contact them? I'm thinking of making a excel-sheet with the bulletins present in the game and the changes that we can discuss on the fora later.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2019, 12:26 PMOsinyagov

Hello, gentlemen!

I would like to talk about current situation with intel bulletins in the game. According to open sources, there is no plans for bulletins rework, but i still would like to get some ideas and discuss it with the community. Anyhow, i would like to add, at least UI part of this discussion to QoL thread, when some completed idea will appear. So, let's started!

Issue number one - visual language

As you know, enery bulletin has one or several symbols for fast recognise the affect. I believe it was ok in the beginning, but then a lot of disparities appeared. I will not list them all, just give some of them.

Example 1 - dispatch

Both bulletins reduce the time between dispatch. Earlier bulletins using right symbol, later bulletins using left symbol. Also, left symbol used for ability recharge bulleting, and reload bulletins.

Example 2 - reload

for some reason, you can face three different symbols for reload bulletins. Lightning symbol also used for reduced cooldown. Second one also used for increased rotation rate. Third one was mentioned in example number one.

It can be fixed, just need to make some symbols system to avoid overlapping between different effects.

The other issue - incorrect unit on the bulletin's icon. Some people can be confused by large number of M-42 bulletins, and 0 bulletins (according to image on icon) for ZiS-3.


Also, there is no order by affected units, so you need to lurk bulletins for one unit in the chaos. It can be fixed with some manipulations with bulletins name. i've made it in russian numerical veterancy mod, and it looks really good!

Issue number two - bulletins with the same effect, but different %

Every bulletin should provide small, but meaningful effect. Currently, there are a lot of bulletins, especially for East factions, which provide the same effect, and the only difference - %. Some examples:
2 bulletins with 10% experience for HMG (1 special for Maxim, 1 for Maxim and MG 42)
2 bulletins with accuracy for Maxim (2% and 3%)
3 bulletins for Mortar accuracy (2%,3% and 5% for PM-41)
2 bulletins for SU-85 penetration (3% and 4%)
2 bulletins for ZiS-3 rotation (5% and combo bulletin 2% pen and 3% rotation)
4 bulletins for ZiS-3 penetration (2%,3%,4% and combo bulletin 2% pen and 3% rotation)

In my mind, every unit should have only one bulletin for every effect, but with solid % (for example 5%). Other option - bulletin with two effects, but smaller %(like 3% and 3%). So, 1%-2% bulletins should be reworked.

Issue number three - sevral units have one bulletins or don't have them at all

In the beginning, according to exist bulletins, every type of units has it own gentleman's set of bulletins. Like near by all vanilla infantry units, which were on the start, have their accuracy bulletin, and every HMG has number of bulletins for cooldown, reload and expirience. Here is some units, which require some bulletins:
Both 76-mm "Sherman" - 0 bulletins, not integrated in any global medium tanks bulletins
M1 mortar - 0 bulletins
KV-2 - 1 bulletin
KV-1 - 2 bulletins
SdKfz 221/223 - 0 bulletins
Ostheer Puma - 0 bulletins
M26 - 1 bulletin
T34 Calliope - 1 bulletin
Goliath - 1 bulletin
This list is not full.

Issue number four - late game bulletins

There is no doubt, that late game bulletins not used often because no guarantee, that you will use something from late game stuff, and their bonuses are on the same level with early game bulletins(2-5% mostly).
Something should be done with it. My idea based on unique options, like Ostwind supress bulletin provide, and some bulletins as gentleman's set, but with really meaningful influence, like increased expirience. For example dispatch bulletins for super heavies are really useless.

Issue number five - covered influence

Several bulletins affect not only listed in the description units. Like several StuG III G bulletins affect StuG III E and...Elefant. Bulletins should affect only one, two or max three units with some common thing (like mainline infantry, elite infantry, HMG or units with the same base in extremis, like grenadiers and assault grenadiers, or Guards and Assault guards).

IOW, every unit should have gentleman's set of 3-4 bulletins with good, but not extremely powerfull effects and 1-2 bulletins with unique bonuses, which increase unique advantage of unit, or open new options. (like mentioned above Ostwind bulletins).
Just an example - super heavies.
IS-2 and Tiger
2 gentleman's set bulletins - penetration and increased expirience.
IS-2 has bulletins with standart and half-standart effect - reload and speed/rotation.
Tiger has bulletins with standart and half-standart effect - increased armor and sight/turret rotation.
At the same time
Tiger II has only one bulletin from gentleman's set - increased expirience.
M26 has one bulletins from gentleman's set - increased penetration.

I would like to hear your opinion, i believe we can figure something interesting!

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2019, 16:08 PMOsinyagov

Hello, guys!

Several mounth ago i created thread about situation with bulletins. And one of highlighted issues was inconsistency of used symbol and even units on icons.



I was thinking to adjust these icons, but faced a reality, that to much work should be done. And here is my question - is it interesting to the community to adjust icons for bulletins and bring them to some common standart?

Or maybe you have some ideas about that, except major bulletins revamp of course, it is prerogative of Relic and balance team, not me

Example what i am talking about
Current Partisans bulletin icons
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How they can be
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Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 08:41 AMOsinyagov

Edit:
This is the list of issues, which i see in the bulletins system

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 10:53 AMJulianSnow

Not to be misinterpreted: with a 'gentleman's set' you mean just 3 intel bulletins that are roughly equal among all factions, right?

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 10:53 AMJulianSnow

imo, each basis unit (non-doctrinal) should have 3 intel bulletins and all non-doctrinal units should only have 1 or 2.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 10:53 AMJulianSnow

It's not wasted time if we make a spreadsheet about this and show it to sturmpanther or any of the other mods?

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 12:40 PMOsinyagov

Among units of the same class - yes



Number of bulletins should be discussed closely. My idea:
2-3 bulletins for each unit with basic bonuses, which fits to this unit.
1-2 bulletins with unique bonus, like Ostwind has (added supression), which highlight the role of the unit.



It can be waste of time, so be ready for that.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 12:53 PMVipper

I would also like it if bulletin where not visible to enemy player.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 13:23 PMJulianSnow

Don't think we have much influence in the loading screen.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 12:40 PMOsinyagov

It can be waste of time, so be ready for that.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 16:12 PMelchino7

While we all appreciate your efforts, it's understandable why this kind of things keep getting pushed further back in the backlog.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 16:12 PMelchino7

At the end of the day, the bulletin system was a failed experiment which it's objective was to artificially increase the amount of random low value things which could be dropped in a lootbox system.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 16:37 PMOsinyagov

It's not to offend somebody. if you do something by your own initiative, be ready that it won't be interested by anybody. Such is life



From this point of view - yes. But if it is in the game already, why not to try a brainstorm to find some usage for it, since it is a part of the multiplayer?

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 17:10 PMelchino7

If i were Relic, the existence of any possibility of more work and any negative outcome outweights the gains from trying to rework the bulletin system.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 17:15 PMJulianSnow

Also if the community is willing to do practically all the work?

Also, my intentions weren't to create powerfull intel bulletins. Just some more consistancy throughout the 5 factions. Eastern front factions now have far more bulletins than the western front and I thought that could be a little bit more balanced out.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 16:12 PMelchino7

At the end of the day, the bulletin system was a failed experiment which it's objective was to artificially increase the amount of random low value things which could be dropped in a lootbox system.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 20:50 PMKatitof

But... bulletins existed waaaay before loot drops appeared and you unlocked them through achievements.

Also, they pretty much nailed "bulletins" in DoW3, one of few things DoW3 did right.... I mean functionality, not balance.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 16:10 PMJulianSnow

Just this afternoon I figured that there are some intel bulletins which dont work as discribed or lost their use due to balance modification.

Is it possible for us to add/remove or modify existing bulletins?