T-34 Ram

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2020, 12:53 PMT.R. Stormjäger

You completely missed the point. Ram + rockets strafe should be viable and effective, but not a brainless 2 clicks without the opponent having any chance of counterplay. This is why clown car with snipers was killed, because there was no counterplay. Forcing you to first damage a tank before you ram it would allow the opponent to play conservatively and keep his distance to avoid getting rammed.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2020, 13:10 PMLago

The counterplay is not stalling for a Tiger once you've seen SVT Cons.

If it's acceptable for heavies to shut down so many strategies, it seems fair enough that there are strategies that shut them down right back.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2020, 13:31 PMFarlion

Don't be daft. The cheap cost of a T34/76 allows it to do the same trick on pretty much any tank that's not a Stug, and still come out ahead in terms of invested resources.

Ram and kill a WM Pz4? Net gain of 30 fuel.
Panther? Net gain of 95.
OKW Pz4? Net gain of 50.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2020, 13:32 PMKatitof

Since when rocket strafe is free of any kind of cost?

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2020, 12:53 PMT.R. Stormjäger

You completely missed the point. Ram + rockets strafe should be viable and effective, but not a brainless 2 clicks without the opponent having any chance of counterplay. This is why clown car with snipers was killed, because there was no counterplay. Forcing you to first damage a tank before you ram it would allow the opponent to play conservatively and keep his distance to avoid getting rammed.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2020, 13:34 PMFarlion

Yeah, 100 munitions that will ensure a destroyed tank are totally an issue for a commander that has no muni sinks after you have SVTs.

If you actually played the game, you'd know that.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2020, 12:49 PMLago

It's only a viable trade against expensive tanks, and is available in a doctrine that gets no doctrinal armour of its own.

If you Tiger stall against a player playing Soviet Airborne in 1v1, you deserve everything you get.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2020, 13:37 PMKatitof

I'll share a secret with you:
Soviets had a fuckload of additional and increased muni costs to everything, running including(oorah) over last years, they are no longer muni light faction they were 5 years ago, because everything costs a hefty amount of muni to use.

Hell, airborne guards alone in that doctrine are endless muni sink due to nades and vet1.

Play them sometime, you'd knew that if you did.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2020, 13:41 PMFarlion

Thanks for proving my point. Nobody that's competent even uses Airborne Guards, which is why they're getting buffed.

And if you think Oorah is any kind of muni sink, you've just confirmed everything I said.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2020, 13:34 PMFarlion

Yeah, 100 munitions that will ensure a destroyed tank are totally an issue for a commander that has no muni sinks after you have SVTs.

If you actually played the game, you'd know that.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2020, 13:36 PMSuperHansFan

Surely the counterplay is building mobile tanks like the P4s that eat 76s alive rather than a big slow ram target.

I've never seen luvnest or any other top 10 player lose to this. Bar the first week of overwatch arty release when Jove was abusing it and it caught heavy stallers off guard. And that was more to do with how prenerf overwatch arty was destroying engines with the first or second shell.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2020, 14:42 PMVipper

Actually Ram was used 5 times in the World Championship.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2020, 13:31 PMFarlion

Don't be daft. The cheap cost of a T34/76 allows it to do the same trick on pretty much any tank that's not a Stug, and still come out ahead in terms of invested resources.

Ram and kill a WM Pz4? Net gain of 30 fuel.
Panther? Net gain of 95.
OKW Pz4? Net gain of 50.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2020, 15:05 PMSuperHansFan

Brits were also picked a handful of times, that doesn't mean they're OP. Especially when they you know, lost.