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Your proposals would basically revert the previous and currently intended change for OSTs tech structure.
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Option A is functionally identical to the tech structure in the new patch. I matched all the costs on all the teching paths. All the costs match.
The current Ostheer tech design currently has a redundant Battle Phase in it. I just reshuffled it to be between T2 and T3 instead of T3 and T4.
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I assumed that you had a typo in proposal B:
T3 is currently written that it only costs 140 MP, although the total tech cost to T3 also says it would cost 55 FU, which would also go along with keeping T3 timing. This proposal would revert the intended change from end 2018 to allow for easier back teching into T3. I'm not saying that this is good or bad, just wanted to point it out.
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I bundled Battle Phase 3 and T4 together.
In proposal B, Battle Phase 3 is a requirement for medium armour.
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Building upon the B proposal, what if the Stug E becomes a non doctrinal, standard ostheer unit that comes in the new T3? (while it gets replaced by command P4 in the defensive and mechanized doctrines... definitely fits the former, but Tiger + CP4 combo for the latter may be a bit op)
I feel like a Stug G might be a little too strong for the new T3, but a Stug E, with slightly improved AT stats (or ability to switch ammo) would help to fill the ostheer light vehicle gap. I saw the proposal of adding short barrel P4 with reduced health for this role, but visually it would be a bit weird imo, if the same P4 model has less health than regular P4.
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Maybe reduce P2 fuel cost to 55 and increase T3 fuel cost to 50？Then P3 and T4 fuel cost bundle to P3 like balance mod？
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The idea is to make sure all the costs line up, so the timings don't change.
It's not meant to be a big rebalance of Ostheer, so I was careful to keep the price totals the same in order to have minimal effect on the timings.
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Relic just remove puma tech request in test mod……5 minutes ago……
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Unfortunately while the changes to the Puma in 1.2 are in the right direction the Puma still comes at the earliest around about 11 minutes or so, meaning it still is going to come noticeably later than the T-70 which is still going to dominate heavily. Plus the Puma coming this late also doesn't help at all against USF and UKF light vehicles which are still going to have a large window to operate since they come earlier than the T-70 does.
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That's the same as it was during the Mobile Defense meta, didn't stop people from using it. Ideally, the Puma should be a comeback tool if you've been forced off by light vehicles for awhile, not something that shuts them down outright. Ostheer doesn't really have a reliable tool for that currently. I think it will be huge in making Ostheer a less risky pick in tourneys.
Just watch some of these matches to see timing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fACbuGma1e8
It's a good change, altough I'd have preferred OP's suggestion. Just hope the doctrine doesn't become overly oppressive again when FHT is combined with Panzer Tactician.
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That's the same as it was during the Mobile Defense meta, didn't stop people from using it. Ideally, the Puma should be a comeback tool if you've been forced off by light vehicles for awhile, not something that shuts them down outright. Ostheer doesn't really have a reliable tool for that currently. I think it will be huge in making Ostheer a less risky pick in tourneys.
Just watch some of these matches to see timing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fACbuGma1e8
It's a good change, altough I'd have preferred OP's suggestion. Just hope the doctrine doesn't become overly oppressive again when FHT is combined with Panzer Tactician.
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FHT, Panzer Tactician and Pumas. There's a definite risk of another Mobidef meta.
The Puma's just too good in Ostheer as it stands: it'll be in every loadout just for the threat of it.
I think the tunable earlier StuG availability in Proposal B is a better solution than bringing back Mobidef as Ostheer's midgame crutch. If they need that sort of solution, they need it nondoctrinally.
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T-70 power level should simply go down...
FHT, Panzer Tactician and Pumas. There's a definite risk of another Mobidef meta.
The Puma's just too good in Ostheer as it stands: it'll be in every loadout just for the threat of it.
I think the tunable earlier StuG availability in Proposal B is a better solution than bringing back Mobidef as Ostheer's midgame crutch. If they need that sort of solution, they need it nondoctrinally.
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