Undeniable Easy Eight problem.

Its not going to win against a panther, but it won't be a complete pushover like an M4 is what I mean. It will pen reasonably frequently which means it's got a chance, especially on the move.

So what you are saying is that it loses, just less badly. And see, that's the problem, Ez8 doesn't really "get" you anything, it stil needs AT support against a Panther, or anything bigger just like a regular Sherman, so you still need a Jackson anyway (or enough AT guns/Zooks to cover its absence)
But unlike a regular Sherman, it doesn't secure you a solid AI advantage on the field
And, as has been said already M4A3 + M36> 2 x M4A3E8 (maths, yo)
And it'll stay that way, since any time there's a situation where generalist spam wins with specialists, a nerfbat comes around to say hello (spamming one unit to win is not-kocher around here)
I mean you can use a doctrine slot, and 140 fuel to get a tank that lets you win against P4, and Stug maybe (compared to regular M4A3) and loses its AI punch, adn you're discouraged to build more than 1 anyway.

Or you can get adoctrine witch gives you a hero unit (M26), and good inf.
Or you can get a doctrine which gives you a rocket artillery, and good inf
Or you can get a doctrine which gives you Self propelled howitzers, and M1919s (as in, good inf.)
Or you can get a doctrine which gives you awesome AI tank, and cheap AT vehicle (Armored)
etc. (and good assault inf)

Even M4A3(76) is better, that at least has some serious DPS, so it's better for flanking.

Sorry that easy 8 loses to dedicated anti tank more expensive end game tank hunter , it seriously need some buff , maybe give it same stats as tiger and reduce yhe cost to 100 fuel ?

So what you are saying is that it loses, just less badly. And see, that's the problem, Ez8 doesn't really "get" you anything, it stil needs AT support against a Panther, or anything bigger just like a regular Sherman, so you still need a Jackson anyway (or enough AT guns/Zooks to cover its absence)
But unlike a regular Sherman, it doesn't secure you a solid AI advantage on the field
And, as has been said already M4A3 + M36> 2 x M4A3E8 (maths, yo)
And it'll stay that way, since any time there's a situation where generalist spam wins with specialists, a nerfbat comes around to say hello (spamming one unit to win is not-kocher around here)
I mean you can use a doctrine slot, and 140 fuel to get a tank that lets you win against P4, and Stug maybe (compared to regular M4A3) and loses its AI punch, adn you're discouraged to build more than 1 anyway.

Or you can get adoctrine witch gives you a hero unit (M26), and good inf.
Or you can get a doctrine which gives you a rocket artillery, and good inf
Or you can get a doctrine which gives you Self propelled howitzers, and M1919s (as in, good inf.)
Or you can get a doctrine which gives you awesome AI tank, and cheap AT vehicle (Armored)
etc. (and good assault inf)

Even M4A3 is better, that at least has some serious DPS, so it's better for flanking.

There are other units than panthers. Anything below a panther is meat for an E8 and while it won't flat out beat a panther it can be used to good effect. It's the best tank around for chasing as well due to high moving accuracy and the ability to bounce shots.

It doesn't secure you an AI advantage because it secures you an AT advantage and FORCES the enemy to go panther in order to have an chance at all. And even then, it's AI isn't abysmal its just not spectacular. The unit is rather accurate and still gets a pintle as well. I wouldn't try my luck against it using a pgrens squad since it can bounce, take an extra hit and is still going to chew up infantry if it's allowed the chance.

The rest of your bitching is in support of what the people that actually understand the game are also saying-the tank isn't the issue it's the commander that's underwhelming. It's agreed that the other 4 slots don't bring enough for the E8 to be balanced and the commander be attractive if unchanged. Do try to keep up.

The rest of the commander is UP and needs buffed. The E8 shouldn't be brought back into OP status to make up for the shitty commander.

Sorry that easy 8 loses to dedicated anti tank more expensive end game tank hunter , it seriously need some buff , maybe give it same stats as tiger and reduce yhe cost to 100 fuel ?

You are welcome to try and point out theexact sentence where i suggest M4A3E8 buffs
spoiler: you won't, because i didn't, and I don't want to have it buffed. So stop your wehraboo rage

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You are also welcome to point out the fragment where I suggests buffs, I won't spoil your fun though (don't cheat!).
I'm sorry if you read my post as "bitching" (that wasn't the point), I was just sharing my point of view and experience with the unit, and that it is in fact not "amazing", just kinda "mediocre" tank, followed by a weak doctrine. Maybe if it was non-doc it would be allright, not that it will be (and no, i don't want that either, do I have to point that out everytime so you don't think its "bitching"?)
There's no point buffing it, either it gets buffed through the roof, so it's worth taking the doctrine just for it, or it won't make a difference.
I won't reiterate why i think so, read my post again if you want.

IMHO Generalists teand to get balanced more harshly (Hi Comet!), since they allow for "hurr durr spam one unit to win where's combined arms?!" they are brought to a point where 2 specialists > 2 generalists (no, I do't disagree with that either, just FYI), problem is, at this point a single one of them doesn't make a huge impact, and by the time you get a second vehicle, you are at a disadvantage, since you could have 2 specialists on the field doing a better job (oh and you also lost a doctrine slot)

We could (and probably should) buff the doctrine , but the E8 will be just an addon, not it's "party piece" (nothing wrong with that though, just my preference for the vehicles to feel "special" rather than just sort of being there)

As for the E8 itself, I'd love to see a redesing of the thing, make into a sort of "hero medium" call in, cp9-10, tech required, 160-179-ish fuel, buff its stats a little (not sure on exact numers though) and allow only one on the field (so it can't be spammed), powerful enough to make an impact on its own, but nowhere near the performance of an HT (maybe around Comet? idk)
IMHO that would make it interesting, and differentiate it from "regular" 76. But thats just some random thoughs, man can dream (probably not what the mod team wants to spend resources on)

TL;DR
-Doctrine needs a buff
-I don't want E8 buff, stop your nonsence
-I wish it were redesined into something more interesting.

The 76mm has better dps because they don't want any one sherman to be clearly better in every way. They want each to be viable. The 76 trades the e8s durability for dps. It's a different tank entirely in that regard. Different approaches entirely.

The 76mm has better dps because they don't want any one sherman to be clearly better in every way. They want each to be viable. The 76 trades the e8s durability for dps. It's a different tank entirely in that regard. Different approaches entirely.

That said, there is no reason why the E8 should have a worse reload time than the stock Sherman.

I will say it again, because of panthers, E8 turns into a defensive tank, cant 1v1 panthers without putting it at risk.

What E8 lacks is proper army support. Lacking in rockey artillery to blast paks/rakaten/pak88s, so E8 can have a better chance against panthers.

A fix for this would be to buff officers capabilities through its doctrine. Have an ability to buff major's direct combat. Buff it to 6man with body guards, turn him into a capable squad with quick barrage to counter set up teams and a heavy 105mm barrage that can reliably take out pak88s and field guns

The doctrine is bad and hangs on E8 to carry it late game. Which E8 is absolutely incapable of doing, again, because panthers can stop dead an E8 push.

E8 may look decent against panthers on paper but throw in support teams, infantry support on both sides. Its far riskier and much more difficult to pull off a victory for USF.

I will say it again, because of panthers, E8 turns into a defensive tank, cant 1v1 panthers without putting it at risk.

What E8 lacks is proper army support. Lacking in rockey artillery to blast paks/rakaten/pak88s, so E8 can have a better chance against panthers.

A fix for this would be to buff officers capabilities through its doctrine. Have an ability to buff major's direct combat. Buff it to 6man with body guards, turn him into a capable squad with quick barrage to counter set up teams and a heavy 105mm barrage that can reliably take out pak88s and field guns

The doctrine is bad and hangs on E8 to carry it late game. Which E8 is absolutely incapable of doing, again, because panthers can stop dead an E8 push.

E8 may look decent against panthers on paper but throw in support teams, infantry support on both sides. Its far riskier and much more difficult to pull off a victory for USF.

Excatly

Ez8 is a good tank on paper but impractical in-game because what it is good at is neither relevant to make the doctrine as a whole good and neither relevant as singular unit since its strength are directly countered by (indeed more expensive) stock units having the same profile aka average vs infantry and countering any medium tank on the field.

That said, there is no reason why the E8 should have a worse reload time than the stock Sherman.

It actually has.
The extra penetration, that is consistent with HVAP rounds have worse ROF than the normal rounds for the 76mm.
There also different units with different stats.

Excatly

Ez8 is a good tank on paper but impractical in-game because what it is good at is neither relevant to make the doctrine as a whole good and neither relevant as singular unit since its strength are directly countered by (indeed more expensive) stock units having the same profile aka average vs infantry and countering any medium tank on the field.

and this is the reason why jackson/sherman combo is superior. its non doctrinal, you can save the doctrine slot for calliope/priests to blow up set up teams and infantry support before moving in with tanks.

no matter how much easy8s are reasonably buffed in their combat performance, there is no way for this doctrine to ever get good if the doctrine is not able to provide a solution to its army weakness, lack of indirect fire support.

You are welcome to try and point out theexact sentence where i suggest M4A3E8 buffs
spoiler: you won't, because i didn't, and I don't want to have it buffed. So stop your wehraboo rage

You are also welcome to point out the fragment where I suggests buffs, I won't spoil your fun though (don't cheat!).
I'm sorry if you read my post as "bitching" (that wasn't the point), I was just sharing my point of view and experience with the unit, and that it is in fact not "amazing", just kinda "mediocre" tank, followed by a weak doctrine. Maybe if it was non-doc it would be allright, not that it will be (and no, i don't want that either, do I have to point that out everytime so you don't think its "bitching"?)
There's no point buffing it, either it gets buffed through the roof, so it's worth taking the doctrine just for it, or it won't make a difference.
I won't reiterate why i think so, read my post again if you want.

IMHO Generalists teand to get balanced more harshly (Hi Comet!), since they allow for "hurr durr spam one unit to win where's combined arms?!" they are brought to a point where 2 specialists > 2 generalists (no, I do't disagree with that either, just FYI), problem is, at this point a single one of them doesn't make a huge impact, and by the time you get a second vehicle, you are at a disadvantage, since you could have 2 specialists on the field doing a better job (oh and you also lost a doctrine slot)

We could (and probably should) buff the doctrine , but the E8 will be just an addon, not it's "party piece" (nothing wrong with that though, just my preference for the vehicles to feel "special" rather than just sort of being there)

As for the E8 itself, I'd love to see a redesing of the thing, make into a sort of "hero medium" call in, cp9-10, tech required, 160-179-ish fuel, buff its stats a little (not sure on exact numers though) and allow only one on the field (so it can't be spammed), powerful enough to make an impact on its own, but nowhere near the performance of an HT (maybe around Comet? idk)
IMHO that would make it interesting, and differentiate it from "regular" 76. But thats just some random thoughs, man can dream (probably not what the mod team wants to spend resources on)

TL;DR
-Doctrine needs a buff
-I don't want E8 buff, stop your nonsence
-I wish it were redesined into something more interesting.

Listen to him, man, he's right

It actually has.
The extra penetration, that is consistent with HVAP rounds have worse ROF than the normal rounds for the 76mm.
There also different units with different stats.

It's not firing HVAP rounds though. Not even close.

I don't really see the argument for having the worst medium tank reload. At the very least it could use the 30% reload vet from the M4A276MM instead of the standard sherman reload vet.

It's not firing HVAP rounds though. Not even close.

I don't really see the argument for having the worst medium tank reload. At the very least it could use the 30% reload vet from the M4A276MM instead of the standard sherman reload vet.

220/180/165
vs
200/165/155

NOT EVEN CLOSE

220/180/165
vs
200/165/155

NOT EVEN CLOSE

That is closer than I remembered.

Should give it the 6.1s reload time of HVAP shells then. Or better yet a round 6s since it's still worse and still has worse vet

That is closer than I remembered.

Should give it the 6.1s reload time of HVAP shells then. Or better yet a round 6s since it's still worse and still has worse vet

well actually it is partially 6, it has a reload time of 6-6,6

well actually it is partially 6, it has a reload time of 6-6,6

Coming to an average of 6.3. Yes, I know. Making it the worst in class.

M4A3E8 Reload Time: 6.6 - 6
Comet Reload Time: 6.4 - 5.9
T-34/85 Reload Time: 6.3 - 6
M4A3 / Cromwell Reload Time: 6 - 5.6
Panther Reload Time: 5.6 - 5.2 (in fairness, the Panther has a really weird 1s wind down as well)
Panzer IV Reload Time: 5.7 - 5.3
76MM Reload Time (AP): 4.5 - 4.1
76MM Reload Time (HVAP): 6.1 - 6.1

Panther Reload Time: 5.6 - 5.2 (in fairness, the Panther has a really weird 1s wind down as well)

Afaik, you should simply add the wind down to its reload. Pershing also has the wind down thingy.

It's not firing HVAP rounds though. Not even close.

I don't really see the argument for having the worst medium tank reload. At the very least it could use the 30% reload vet from the M4A276MM instead of the standard sherman reload vet.

Not really the 76mm is simply broken. It has the beast all all worlds.

From the USF:
Radio net

From the Soviet:
The OP vet bonuses T-34 gets

And on top of that one of the best pintle HMGs.

It is the 76mm that need to be look at and not the Easy8s.