The Cancer That Is Soviet Field HQ

Jump back to quoted post10 Jan 2020, 08:27 AMRitter

okw has a forward HQ for free none-doctrinal.
Regardless if map has buildings or not. U can move ur mobile hq anywhere.

Jump back to quoted post10 Jan 2020, 08:27 AMRitter

okw has a forward HQ for free none-doctrinal.
Regardless if map has buildings or not. U can move ur mobile hq anywhere.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2020, 04:12 AMdistrofio

Make fhq require at least a single squad garrison in it. If it dies the fhq is undone. Now mortar poses a real threat as it should be

Jump back to quoted post10 Jan 2020, 11:54 AMRitter

okw also has flak tank building. all none doctrinal.

Jump back to quoted post10 Jan 2020, 13:11 PMThe Spycrab

last checked any 60 range unit could counter it, artillery or any medium tank and heavy can counter the non doc flak HQ, hell even mortars can, if only the soviets had a really powerful mortar for this, oh wait they do, 120mm mortar, the spread doesn’t mean much as its you know a building, you’re gonna hit it directly or splash.

Jump back to quoted post10 Jan 2020, 15:23 PMelchino7

Unless the relative safe by using the extended range means something, there's not much difference between using the stock mortar and the 120mm. They both do the same damage.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2020, 00:45 AMThe Spycrab

120mm if i recall gets extra AoE which can get some splash on nearby infantry if its the 1st truck with medics but for stuff like the flak HQ, its just a bonus that you are very unlikely to miss.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2020, 02:04 AMthedarkarmadillo

And the trade off for the extra chance to hit infantry is the drastically reduced ROF. Better chance to deal damage but less chances to deal it as well as lower actual dps against the truck.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2020, 11:48 AMVipper

From my experience 120mm is superior than the standard mortar in taking out trucks...

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2020, 12:00 PMKatitof

How?
It has lower DPS then regular one and AoE isn't really a factor against such big, static target.
There is only range range advantage to 120mm here and it is going to be less accurate anyway due to higher scatter.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2020, 12:14 PMVipper

I suggest you test in cheat MOd and find out for yourself.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2020, 14:15 PMthedarkarmadillo

But it's impossible. Same damage per shot shooting less. Unless there is a bug it shouldn't be dealing more damage.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2020, 14:31 PMVipper

You are confusing small arm fire and explosive weapons. The 2 mortar do the same damage if they both score a hit. PM-41 does 40 damage at distance 2 while the HM-38 does 40 damage at range 3.5.

So no they do not do the same AOE damage. HM-38 does allot more.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2020, 16:28 PMthedarkarmadillo

I'm talking about vs structures specifically. ROF matters a lot more especially when considering the scatter on the 120mm. I'm not arguing that the 120mm is up or anything, just that against something like an sws truck you are better off with the 82mm since it's going to deal damage more quickly.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2020, 16:42 PMVipper

I am talking about vs structures specifically also. If all shot hit right on target PM-41 will have higher DPS but that not the case. As soon as misses the HM-38 does more damage.

You can test this cheat MOD and see how much damage each mortar does.