They are.
Not being capable of using them right doesn't change that.
Oh Katitof, you don't have anything constructive to add to the comments because you know my factual arguments are too strong, so u resort to baseless squawking: "tHeY aRe!!!"
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They are.
Not being capable of using them right doesn't change that.
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Half true.
Werfer is really good, no change.
Panther is stuck between diving tank and TD. Needs 5 less range and 10% more moving accuracy imo to be a strong mobile brawler.
Brummbar is an assault gun that can’t assault shit because it gets wrecked. Not enough mobility to flank strongpoints, not enough armour or range to take them head on. Tried a brummbar 3 days ago and the everything penetrated like it was nothing. Either more armour or more range to make it more usable.
I’d give the Brummbar half the nerfs to armour back, for a bit less mobility. That way it’s more usable, but you have to be more careful where you commit it because it can’t escape as well.
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You hit the nail on the head with the panther. It's apparently not a good diving tank due to poor on the move acc, and somewhat poor accuracy too, and not enough dps or range to be a straight up TD.
Werfer, however is far from good. But at least it has a very small niche. Risk it's neck every time for a min range barrage for a potential wipe whereas the katy sits back and just pummels the position from max range with it's sheer # of rockets and volleys. Slow and steady it racks up kills, while the werfer is more of an all-or-nothing. With that all said, I am NOT asking for a buff for the werfer. I don't think all T4 units need to be "excellent"
I guess I can support your changes with the Brum. Anything beats what it is right now.
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So a doctrinal tank is better than a non doctrinal tank?nah that only works for allied vehivle, case in point both okw and osther get same vehicle as the non doc version : osther get okw panzer 4, okw get ostwind and 221
OMGJESUS NERF THAT SHIT
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Half true.
Werfer is really good, no change.
Brummbar is an assault gun that can’t assault shit because it gets wrecked. Not enough mobility to flank strongpoints, not enough armour or range to take them head on. Tried a brummbar 3 days ago and the everything penetrated like it was nothing. Either more armour or more range to make it more usable.
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Oh, I'm sorry, I made a mistake of assuming there aren't any stupid people around here who don't even follow patch notes on the only faction they play.
Panther was improved.
Brummbar was improved so much, it had to be nerfed to not be IWIN unit.
Werfer, while gated behind T4, never really lacked anything and its only rocket arty in game that PINS infantry that somehow manages to not get wiped by alpha strike it does.
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I rarely see Brummbars anymore, but ran into one on Essen and had problems with it (KV1 and T34 bouncing off it). Don't know what it's armor is, but it was enough to bounce 4-5 shots. It can stand up to a T34 for awhile on a city map. It just seems really situational now, but a lot of units are like that.
Also, you can get two Ostwinds before you get one Brummbar, which are a lot less situational.
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You'll have to town down all heavy tanks as well then. You can't just nerf Allies only counter to heavy armor and then let them get roflstomped by Tigers and Panthers every time a game goes over 20 minutes. If you're bothered by tank destroyers being so strong, look at the reason they have to be strong. That reason is SU-85's and M10's that could not counter a King Tiger.
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