Jagdpanzer IV Refit

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 19:32 PMthedarkarmadillo

The JP4 could work in HQ after 2 trucks to allow okw something that isn't God tier but still good as AT if the schwere goes boom. It also allows an okw player to go med+mech and still have a decent TD to help fight TDs.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 19:32 PMthedarkarmadillo

Imo the only issue with the JP4 is its place in tech. If it's along side a panther you will 9/10 times take the panther due to its mobility traits.

The JP4 could work in HQ after 2 trucks to allow okw something that isn't God tier but still good as AT if the schwere goes boom. It also allows an okw player to go med+mech and still have a decent TD to help fight TDs.
It's not a spearhead unit after all, it's primarily defensive in a very aggressive faction which is why it feels so out of place.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 17:35 PMVipper

So imo a vet 3 JP 4 has inferior bonus to a vet 3 SU-85 to M36 I would even go so far to say even to FF.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 20:35 PMSander93

If we are comparing the vet bonuses by themselves, then yes. But the Jagdpanzer IV has better base stats (accuracy and ROF). The vet 1 ability and the vet 2 extra hitpoints are incredibly useful, especially when fighting other TDs. A vet 4 Jagdpanzer IV has the fastest reload and the highest accuracy in the game of any vehicle IIRC. The only thing it doesn't get is extra penetration, but that is on purpose.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 20:35 PMAlphrum

in most situations, the 2nd truck ppl go for is the schwere hq, that would make little difference. Maybe if the jagdpazner is available before unlocking the flak gun on shwere or switch it with ir HT battlegroup HQ. i dont think jagd pazner really needs much of a buff, it counters all med-to lights aswell does expentially well vs allied TD's. only struggles vs heavies but thats why you have a panther. At most id probs give it better pen through vet

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 20:35 PMSander93

If we are comparing the accuracy/reload vet bonuses by themselves, then yes. But the Jagdpanzer IV has better base stats (accuracy and ROF). The vet 1 ability and the vet 2 extra hitpoints are incredibly useful, especially when fighting other TDs. A vet 4 Jagdpanzer IV has the fastest reload and the highest accuracy in the game of any vehicle IIRC. The only thing its veterancy lacks is extra penetration, but that is on purpose.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 15:21 PMLago

The Jagdpanzer IV's been in an odd position since the OKW rework a few years back.

It was designed for a completely different tech structure, and in the current lineup it's a little redudant. It's a fast-firing anti-medium tank specialist like the StuG, but it's in a tier with the OKW Panzer IV (which beats mediums and kills infantry) and the Panther (which can take on just about anything). The JPIV is only really the optimal choice against tank destroyer spam, which makes it a rather niche unit.

Furthermore, the JPIV's low penetration can make it a risky pick: with the plethora of viable heavy vehicles now available, it risks being rendered ineffective by the enemy build. The same is not true of the Panther, and the JPIV doesn't even have the saving grace of being able to fall back onto anti-infantry duty.

[Thoughts?

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 20:35 PMSander93

If we are comparing the accuracy/reload vet bonuses by themselves, then yes. But the Jagdpanzer IV has better base stats (accuracy and ROF). The vet 1 ability and the vet 2 extra hitpoints are incredibly useful, especially when fighting other TDs. A vet 4 Jagdpanzer IV has the fastest reload and the highest accuracy in the game of any vehicle IIRC. The only thing its veterancy lacks is extra penetration, but that is on purpose.

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 05:54 AMVipper

A stat comparison between JP4 and SU-85 at vet 3
(according to cruzz)
JP vs SU-84

Accuracy:
0.072/0.06/0.048 vs 0.072/0.059/0.052

Penetration: 200/185/170 vs 312/299/286

Reload:3.87 - 4.68=4.275average vs 4.32

Speed: 6.6 vs 6.8

Accel: 1.9 vs 2.5

Rotate: 24 vs 26.4

JP vs SU-84 with JP at vet 4

Accuracy:
0.099/0.083/0.067 vs 0.072/0.059/0.052

Penetration: 200/185/170 vs 312/299/286

Reload:2.96-3.58 = 3.27 average vs 4.32

Speed: 6.6 vs 6.8

Accel: 1.9 vs 2.5

Rotate: 24 vs 26.4

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 05:59 AMSuperHansFan

Jp4 vet doesn't stop at 3 you know. If you read the post you're quoting he says vet4

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 05:53 AMSuperHansFan

I am not saying your thread is totally wrong, but insisting it can only counter allied meds is just wrong. You build it on long range maps, urban maps you also have the option of more mobile panther. Stock it can struggle against IS_2, but by the time an IS2 is on the field it will have unlocked it's powerful RoF buffs.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 19:41 PMKatitof

I wouldn't count on it ever getting any pen boost as long as panther exists.

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 06:02 AMVipper

and if you read my post I include vet 4.