And yet, somehow, its ST that was meta OP problem, not AVRE.
I know its hard and it hurts inside, but sometimes you have to accept that axis really OP and move on.
Its commander was meta (and still is) not the ST itself, at least before the projectile fix, because with it ST indeed become OP. Even when ST sucked ass, people picked Elite armor like there is no tommorow.
But the point is if 221 wasnt in Elite armor, you would have seen ST much rarely. For the same reason AVRE isn't a meta, because eveyone are either using Mobile Assault or Commandos. If the commander with AVRE isnt a meta one, it doesnt mean that the unit is gonna be fine with the recent changes.
It might be an utter shock for you, but AVRE does not have 40 range.
And neither does ST now. Still before the projectile fix AVRE was supperior to ST, with fix ST become supperior due to range, now it has no range and AVRE gets projectile fix aswell.
It's okay to show the struggles of a common soldier but I personally think that the player should be made to feel uncomfortable to some degree when taking the reins of a murderous and criminal regime.
I would say that the games about war in general should make player feel uncomfortable, like Red Orchestra 2 or World at War. But games are made for a general public after all and you need a good writing team for that. Since CoH2 tried it, but fall flat on his ass in the proccess because the whole idea of struggle look liked it was just a bias towards Soviets.
If a person sees how things are going, he deserts. It's simple if a person does not want to participate in crimes. But let's be honest, the Germans did not like to disperse, at first the ideology was strong and many German veterans after the war believed that everything was right or they were afraid that they would be tortured after being taken prisoner / deserted. Obviously because these soldiers saw what was happening around and were afraid of retribution.
Its simple on paper, considering all the propaganda, the lies and the fact that your family\relatives can face repercussions at home.
Plus if your army is somewhat winning, why would you even desert. It takes a lot of self courage to do so, you cant expect it from soldiers. Not to mention that germans were afraid of soviets thats true, since they have no problem surrendering to the Americans and British, but with the soviets it was war untill the last bullet.
Its really comlicated topic. My point is, we shoudnt judge anyone on a personnel level if we dont know if the person is guilty or not, or we will end up being the same nazis blaming and killing people just because they are part of something we dont like.
Here is dialoge between Soviet spy and German general from an old Russian movie, it sums it up pretty good
Of course. It is supposed to surround the city with a tight ring and by shelling from artillery of all calibers and continuous bombing from the air to raze it to the ground. If, as a result of the situation created in the city, requests for surrender are announced, they will be rejected, since the problems associated with the stay of the population in the city and its food supply cannot and should not be solved by us. In this war waged for the right to exist, we are not interested in preserving at least part of the population.
This is not a criminal order and the army executing it is not criminals.
You are funny, litteraly in my first centance I've said that the criminal orders were given, even said that the whole aproach towards Leningrad could be considered one, but what it have to do with soldiers and their stories?
But again how soldiers on the individual level are responsable for this? I'm failing to understand that. Army is an army, its an organisation, without face and without identity. When we look at einsatzgrupps which exterminated civilians, then yes. Because there was no bystanders in them, but a people who were wilingly doing that.
Should we also claim that every single red army soldier is a war criminal because Katyn or for soviet partisans in Finnland killing military and civilians alike? Or maybe US\UK for civilian city bombings where they knew what they were bombing?
I will repeat myself for a twentieth time, organisations from all sides called "army" commited shit during the war. Organisation called "Wehrmacht and SS" did it aswell, due to the nature of the goverment it was part of and due to the nature of war. But to blindly call every single soldier\company\division a war criminals just because they were a part of the organisation is just childish.
Excuse me, but when I look at the numbers of civilian casualties in the USSR during the war:
- Intentionally exterminated: 7,420, 379
- Killed in forced labor in Germany: 2,164,313
- Killed from the deliberately brutal conditions of the occupation regime
(hunger, infectious diseases, lack of medical care, etc.): about 4,100,000
I am looking at the Decree "On the Application of Military Jurisdiction in the Barbarossa Area and on Special Measures of the Troops" which removes any responsibility from the soldiers for attacks against the civilian population, on Plan Ost. I have doubts about the statement that only small groups have done such things and, to be honest, I have no desire to campaign for the Germans. In only one specially besieged Leningrad, they died: 16,747 were killed during artillery strikes and bombing and 632,253 died of hunger. Or it turns out Army Group North which was ordered to starve Leningrad with non-military criminals?
Alright, and? I did say that the unnessesey brutality did happen and the war crimes did happen and criminal orders were given and Wehrmacht as an organisation is not clean. You are bringing statistics, the same way I could say that every single american soldier during the vietnam war was a war criminal judging by what they were doing or during the Iraq war. Still we have games about them, and have 0 problems with that.
Even speaking about Leningrad is not black and white as you want to present it. Sure it can be considered a criminal order, but at the same time Soviets didnt orginize proper evacuation since civilian defense labor was a thing, the same way soviets left god know how many people in stalingrad. As a matter of fact, from a soldier perspective who took part in Lenigrad siedge, what were they supposed to do? Shot Hitler or run to the soviets saying "Nah, its not cool".
Its not how army works, and its not "Oh but you have moral chose" this is BS on paper, in a countries with such regimes, you dont have a chose, its not a modern army where you have it to some degree, but even in them we are still having war crimes, pedophiles and sadists. With the difference being that in the army where is not punished, these human scum will be very noticable and the ones who otherwise woundn't do it, because of the possible reprocusions, will have no limits.
To repeat myself, you should understand basic difference between high command which are most likely loyal to NSDAP and gladly gave criminal orders, generals, field commanders, divisions and regular soldiers.
Company of heroes is not about high command, its about soldiers and I highly doubt people would want to play and as a commander who is commiting a war crimes, thats why we dont have it.
The HMG is quite crap. You get it only if you absolutely have to do it and you don't have a DShKa, or to annoy an OKW player xD
Idk, you can make it work and its not a complete waste of MP to begin with. It could have been better or maybe skipping it sometimes is a better chose.
Its not a "must have" or "always usefull" unit that for sure. But again, only MG42 is a must have and always usefull HMG in the game to begin with.
So yeah, have a German campaign, but maybe have a realistic one depicting a force that used human shields to enable their blitzkrieg through northern Europe, regularly executed prisoners, enacted brutal reprisals on civilian populations and employed people like the Dirlewanger brigade. I can guarantee we'd see protests above and beyond those of Company of Heroes 2's campaign, which, with a few notable exceptions, largely depicted exaggerated versions of things that actually happened at one time or another on the Eastern Front.
What is realistic depiction to begin with. It sounds like you just want to mainly show what shit germans did during the war. Point is, shit like civilians executions, human shielding and other stuff, was made by groups\divisions but not the army in general.
Even mentioning Dirlewanger brigade which is litteraly a penal unit made out of criminals, what could you expect from them. Point is, if we look over-all on german army, most of the shit on the eastern front or on the western front, was commited by either special units exlusively made for this purpose such as einsatzgruppens or rear echelon troops\police.
On top of that speaking of the Eastern Front, we shoudnt forget that collaborators from Ukrain\Poland\Baltic countries were also responsable for a lot of unnessesery violence towards civilians and accused partisans.
Does it make german clean or does it make them less responsable? No, it doesnt, because after all goverment and top millitary figures probably allow this to happen in a first place.
Does it means that we should speak overall about Wehrmacht and hell even SS like they were all part of dirlewanger brigade? Hell no we dont, because its just not true.
But point is, who would want to play as Dirlewanger to begin with, or who would want to play as rear german troops executing and raping civilians?
It can be shown to some extend, yes its a shitty coin of Wehrmacht\SS during WW2, same with Allies\Soviets having shitty side. CoH2 campaign shown only a shitty side mostly, was it enjoable to play, from a story perspective? No.
Then why its wrong to show human side of the German army? No-one sain enouth would based their opinion about german army based on a video game, especially when it has a M rating. You dont need to always show player the shit, because any educated person knows that atrocities were commited by this army.
This consept of "if its a ww2 german, then he is a concentration camp guard and the right hand of Himmler himself" is not only a bad taste to represent in video games (unless its Wolfenstein or something) but also will just frustrate people who have even basic knowlage, the same way it frustrates people that allies are always shown as the heroes and soviets are always killing each other.
Sometimes the issue doesn't merit further discussion when it's in flagrant defiance of all the actual historical work that's been done on the subject in the past few decades. This forum (and, not coincidentally, forums of games like Steel Division or Hearts of Iron) is the only place where I see anyone peddling the "clean Wehrmacht" nonsense that no proper historian would touch.
Maybe you want to agrue that Allies are clean to begin with?
If you are against romanticization that much, then why dont we show all the BS allies had made. If you are such fighter against warcrimes, then you really should say "dont portray anyone as heroes" since every army did dirty things.
If you say "Well sure they did, but not everyone", then there is no reason not to show german side, ofcouse if you dont have double standarts.
And tell please, was you offended somehow by PE campaign in vCoH or maybe by the last tiger chapter in BF5 maybe? Did they do something wrong, aside from showing german side? I mean if you are offended by them just because they are about germans, there is a problem, but not with the fact its about germans.
You've just described usage of every MG in the game xD and said "Don't look at maxim like it's MG42".
The only advantage the maxim has over any other MG is the AOE suppression. Period. So you build two and move them in unison and blob conscripts next to them in teamgames. In 1v1s you don't go maxims
And its not true like at all. MG34\42 are defensive MGs, maxim is semi-offensive MG with Sustained Fire allowing it to actually defend something. But you realistically should always use sustained fire fire if possible, and you should do everything what is possible to have nessesery information to have maximum from it.
Maxim have advantages in terms of 6 models, the fact that cons can merge, good AOE, faster relocation, supperior damage and the fact that it wins 1v1 MG duels.
If you want to judge maxim by playing with it like its MG42 (place and forget) then for sure it will suck ass, if you will use it as it supposed to be used on its own way its a good MG with its own advanatages and disadvantages. If enemy is usuing MG42 offensively, it might be stronger, but you cant expect MG42 constantly rotating and moving during the fight, unlike maxim.
Use its mobility, other units (like mortars flares to see when to pop up sustain fire) and you will see that its not half as bad as forum warriors tend to present it.
But if you want to rant that MG42\36 is better then sure. MG42 is better and it easier to use, since most of the time its just possition and forget unless flanked\attacked by inderect. Does it mean that maxim is just unusable shit? No, not even near, you just have to use it differently.