Profile of Cabreza

Why couldn't they just increase the effectiveness of camouflage, cover, bunker and trench? That's exactly the way modern infantry should fight, not blobing and matching forward like Napoleon's Imperial Guard .

Do I really have to point out that this is a game and therefore some concession need to be made for the sake of enjoyment and playability? Giving a tank destroyer the ability to engage infantry effectively while retaining it's AT capabilities would create an anti-everything vehicle. Every tank destroyer functioning like a mini ISU-152 is not my idea of fun or balance.

When the original company of heroes first came out (or maybe it was late beta) the pintle guns on all tanks were incredibly effective vs infantry. What happened was that the entire game devolved into a race to get armor and AT guns out as early as possible since tanks rendered infantry useless. Then the goal was to amass the most/best tanks to counter your opponent's tanks. Relic pretty quickly realized that if all tanks could regularly kill infantry then infantry didn't really have a role on the battlefield after tanks arrived.

I suppose the simpler answer here though would be that the SU-85 and Elefant are tank destroyers and not assault guns. They are meant to combat tanks from long range with HVAP rounds.

RIP medical mines.

Here are the CoH2 stats pages for each vehicle:

OH Mortar HT

US Mortar HT

Both vehicles cost 200 mp and 40 fuel. The OH HT has less health than the US HT (240 vs 320) but has better speed (6.8 vs 6) and slightly better armor (11 vs 8.4).

The damage profiles for the actual mortar round are nearly identical. Both do 80 damage and share the same aoe profile. The OH mortar HT has slightly better penetration at the edge of the aoe radius but it is pretty negligible.

The biggest difference between the OH and US mortar HT is the scatter and RoF. The OH HT has better default scatter (8 vs 12) and better barrage scatter (7 vs 8) than the US HT. The RoF of both weapons is harder to calculate so if someone who is more knowledgeable about these things would like to provide the exact RoF of each vehicle I would appreciate it. That said, the listed autofire DPS of the OH mortar HT is nearly double (18 vs 9.5) that of the US HT. The OH HT also has better DPS when using barrage (18 vs 14) but the difference isn’t as dramatic.

The take away from all this is that the OH mortar HT does consistent damage whether it is using autofire or barrage. The US HT is only about half as effective when using autofire but closes the gap considerably when using barrage.

Lastly, the OH mortar HT can use a smoke barrage, incendiary barrage, and at vet 1 counter barrage. The US mortar HT can use white phosphorous and at vet 1 delayed fuse barrage.

What the?! What are they smoking? ^^

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