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Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2017, 01:24 AMLoopDloop

I played a game as usf on steppes where the axis players all constantly overextended their infantry in giant blobs and we wiped the fuck out of their infantry, but then we couldn't destroy their bases because it's such a big map and they just replaced them with panthers and brummbars. They had a pretty small army for a while and it dragged on and on down to like 50 points on their side, but they had caches and marginal field control and by that time they had amassed basically an army of tanks and a couple pios/sturms. So the problem is my BAR riflemen, the other dudes bren tommies, and the other two guys' penals and conscripts were all basically useless, and our tanks eventually got run over by sheer numbers before we could replace them. This whole long anecdote I basically wrote down because I could see the same thing happening, which is a problem because it almost rewards or at least heavily compensates for shitty infantry micro and unit preservation, but with heavies, and increasing the popcap would probably cause this situation, but with heavies: an okw player could just dick around with volks for 30 minutes of a team game and lose most or all of them, and then just call in like 3-4 kts (since I can't see anything over 30 pop for a heavy being balanced for okw) or 2 kts and 2 sturmtigers and it'd just be cheesy as hell. What would you even do against 3 kts? It'd be legitimately unbeatable, but then another or even two other okw players could do the same thing as long as they were backed up by an ost with caches and pios.

Jump back to quoted post6 Apr 2017, 13:40 PMMr.Smith

All popcap should scale according to a unit's real usefulness. Otherwise, you create no-brainer build-everytime units. If a low-popcap unit has no unit limit, then you've created a spam-monster (see live-version Comet).

I will concede that the Comet popcap looks bad when compared to a list of vehicles. However, I would argue that this is not an issue with the Comet. This is an issue with call-in heavy vehicles in general.

In particular, I am referring to the following vehicles, whose popcap is a complete joke:
- King Tiger (21)
- Jagtiger (21)
- Elefant (20)
- IS-2/Tiger (19)
- Command Panther (18) <-- Note that you can no longer have a CP AND a King Tiger at the same time
- Specialist Churchills (18)
- Sturmtiger (18)
- Pershing (16!!!)

However, if you skim the list, above, each of these vehciles is limited to one. Giving the Comet a bad popcap value means that we would be turning a blind eye to Comet spam.

The popcap of the following vehicles is also a joke, however:
- Stug (8!!!)
- OKW Panther (16) <- The OKW panther is actually a potent generalist, unlike its useless OST sibling
- Callope (12!!!)

^ Those vehicles look pretty bad on the modes you can spam them. This is why we will be fixing them when their time comes and they enter the scope.

Compare each one of the forementioned vehicles to the OST Panzer4, which has 12 popcap, and you will see what I am talking about.

We will also be fixing over-pop-costed vehicles and units. Again, this cannot come without Relic's blessings.

20 popcap is very fair for a durable (and mobile unit) that has access to the utility abilities that it has. Build 1-2 of them, and you will have a fun time. Build 3 or more and you will suffer.

We want to address all popcap-related issues (6 popcap pfussies, lol) as soon as possible. However, we haven't been allowed to normalize popcap yet, by Relic. In the meantime, we can only chip in at whatever enters scope.