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Thread: Real Talk: Panther24 Mar 2015, 18:51 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 18:48 PMAlexzandvar The Pak40 doesn't do 240 damage, the JPIV is the least mobile medium in the game, and the Panther nerf was before OKW was added as a faction. THE RED HERRING AGAIN! See DPS post. The Pak40 has MORE DPS then the Jackson PERIOD. It will kill armor FASTER THEN A JACKSON PERIOD. If your talking about Alpha strikes thats all that the extra damage will get you. Less Rolls of the RNG dice. So it will either score a Pen and do great or Bounce and totally blow its DPS out the window because it has a SLOW RELOAD TO COMPENSATE FOR THE HIGH DAMAGE PER SHOT. I think you are just being willfully ignorant here. In: Lobby
Thread: Real Talk: Panther24 Mar 2015, 18:46 PM There is no such thing as MBT in WWII thats a post war construct. Axis has plenty of AT and have never ever and never will hurt in that department. After all the Pak40 is like a Jackson with Better Pen. Ost can make that in T2. JP4 DPSwise is almost EXACTLY what a Pak40 is. It just has worse Pen. Its not like anything outside of an IS2 it really matters though. And then there are Shreks... OKW won many many games before they buffed the Panthers armor back to prenerf levels. I am sure they would survive....somehow...yknow like they did... In: Lobby
Thread: Real Talk: Panther24 Mar 2015, 18:39 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 18:38 PMAlexzandvar A lot of people fail to take into account that if the Panther is nerfed, and it stops being built. What exactly do we have left? The PIV still cannot operate effectively anymore with the Jackson on the field and Zook spam, the Panther for Ost is gated behind large teching costs. And for OKW, the Panther is all that they have to counter large amounts of medium armor, shreks are still only carried by fragile and crushable infantry, and the JPIV isn't mobile enough to provide support. The Panther becoming non-viable would only result in the JPIV being mandatory, and Mechanized being thrown to the wasteside, but would leave you with no early game counters to blobbing. Those all sound like problems not related to the Panther overperforming. They sound like other issues that may need to be addressed in other ways. Such as a Rak buff etc. And LOL@Zook blobs. Must be 4v4 your talking about there... In: Lobby
Thread: Real Talk: Panther24 Mar 2015, 18:37 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 18:33 PMAustralian Magic Im more afraid on Obers than Panther. I mean, Obers are best infantry. No other can stand agasint them, unless you surprise them with Shocks/Paras around the corner but that's unlikely. Vetted Obers with STGs are just unstoppable. Best unit in game. Vet 3 Shocks? Vet 3 Paras? That's cute Panther vetted or not still has its counters. SU or Jackson can keep Panther at distance, IS2 can run over it, ISU can snipe it. Panther is fine. It's blitz and smoke which make it perfect instead of fine. Still trying to understand how I can use any of this in a 1v1 as USF.... Again if you arent chasing down and killing the Light tank that is the Jackson with the Panther every chance you get thats your mistake. For ultimate LOL include Obers to insta whipe any ATGs if the USF player went AB or Captain...since yknow they come in the same building. In: Lobby
Thread: Real Talk: Panther24 Mar 2015, 18:31 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 18:29 PMAlexzandvar Except the Panther shouldn't be hitting your Jacksons, letting a Tank Hunter get at you TD's is like letting the wolf get at your sheep. You have AT guns, rifle nades, and fast moving tanks for a reason. If he overextends to chase you then punish him. Not to mention 1 hit from the Jackson chops a large amount of health off the Panther, making it very potent. 10 extra range is map dependant. The Panther is faster. It should be more like if you have a Panther you shouldnt be allowing the Jackson to use that measly extra 10 range against you. I have ATGs eh? So I went Captain and REALLY fucked my fuel? Or should I only ever use Airborne? The reality is there are alot more Jacksons going down to Panthers then Panthers to Jacksons post Armor buff. In: Lobby
Thread: Real Talk: Panther24 Mar 2015, 18:27 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 18:19 PMAlexzandvar Yes, the Panther has less DPS, which was exactly my point. It's good for facing off against single tanks and being used defensively, but it ain't no Assault Gun or Tiger when it comes to pushing enemy fortified positions. Which is where its buff should have been not its armor. Because right now you need to cut the Jacksons Effective DPS in half against the Panthers frontal armor where the Panther is 100% DPS against the Jackson. Making that matchup very lopsided. In: Lobby
Thread: Real Talk: Panther24 Mar 2015, 18:17 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 18:02 PMAlexzandvar The SU-85 does the exact same damage as the Panther, 160. And the Jackson does 240, which is 66% more than the Panthers. The Panther is not some unbeatable tank, the ZiS gun has over a 50% chance to pen, the SU-85 has over a 50% chance to pen. Christ on a cracker talk about exaggeration. Do you know what DPS means? Just as a reminder it means Damage Per Second. SU85 37-19 Jackson 32-23 Panther 21-15 JP4 32-25 Pak40 32-26 In: Lobby
Thread: Real Talk: Panther24 Mar 2015, 17:54 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 17:51 PMAlexzandvar The Panther doesn't have anywhere near the DPS even with 100% pen, and DPS is what matter when it comes to finishing off tanks. The Jackson also has better accuracy as well as higher damage, but it's not a Tank Hunter so it lacks in the armor and health dept. And again; you can counter the Panther with out THAT much effort, it cannot take on infantry, use this to your advantage. Please stop with the higher damage red herring. The damage it does per shot is balanced by its slower reload then other TDs. The SU85 has much better DPS even though its damage per shot is less. But we have gone over this before. And if you want to bring up its marginal moving accuracy bonus you must also count the Jacksons larger target size for its class like all other USF armor. I agree with the OP comparing it to Obersoldaten is about right. In: Lobby
Thread: Real Talk: Panther24 Mar 2015, 17:45 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 17:35 PMAustralian Magic Im not sure about one thing... Are you expecting T34/76 or Shermans to fight Panther? It's like expecting IS2 to fight Elephnat. Panther is made to kill tanks. Of course 2 T34/76 or E8 can kill but only when Panther user is braindead. Point is, Panther should melt medium tanks and should be quite useful against heavy units. There is a reason why Panther was the best WW2 tank. The only OP thing I can find about Panther is blitz and smoke. Great armor + great speed + blitz + smoke. Such combinations leaves you a great hole for misteakes but it's a problem of all axis heavies, not just Panther. These were the talks around the last armor balancing. After the last march deployment where they Nerfed the KV series of tanks as well as the Panther. Yes IRL the Panther was great. But IRL there are alot of other factors that dont apply. The Panther was performing fine before the rebuff to the frontal armor. If you go back and dig for the showcase videos of the Jackson vs the Panther they were Asymetrically balanced. A single Jackson could beat a Panther if it got the first shot advantage and back peddled. The Panther could beat the Jackson if the reverse was true. This is no longer the case. IF the Panther goes after a Jackson the Jackson is done in 9.9 out of 10 cases. There is no need for all the attributes the Panther has going for it with no drawbacks. It has longer range, better armor, better speed, blitz, more HPs and better vet then other mediums. The only area it lacks is lower overall DPS due to reload. But its made up for by almost 100% chance to Penetrate. One area in this list needs to be reduced. If they want to just nerf the OKW version and need a lore reason? OKW is late war and the Germans metallurgy in the late war was hurting. So if anything leave the Ostheer one alone and leave the OKW with crappier frontal armor. In: Lobby
Thread: Real Talk: Panther24 Mar 2015, 17:22 PM +1 OP. Teching costs aside the Panther just does the whole destroying tanks thing better. With both MGs it can kill infantry at about the same rate as a Soviet Sniper thats invincible. If you want to see no AI see Jackson, SU85, JP4. For a 170 fuel tank that in the OKW world hits so fast its got too much going for it and not enough going against it. When they rolled back the Armor and Blitz Nerf they should have also rolled back the Penetration buff it recieved to compensate for those nerfs. But Relic decided FUCK IT roll back what we though was OP and leave the buff alone! What every happened to spending more fuel should equal victory in the tank arena? Thats when Relic identified the Panthers armor as too much. You know when the thought that two T34/76 should stand up against a Panther. Well the Panther nerf elimination just blew that whole concept out of the water. Show me someone who loses a Panther to dual T34/76s and ill show you someone who doesnt know how to use reverse. In: Lobby