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Thread: USF wishes for patch30 Mar 2015, 12:47 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2015, 12:41 PMJohnnyB Not necessarely, I love seeig all these "OP" screams beating themselves with their own arguments. Something's wrong with OKW no doubt but it's not like you guys put it. Math fails sometimes in this game. Did someone make a mode like this? Like increasing OKW tech costs, giving OKW 100% fuel while nerfing KT, walking stuka, Panzer 2, making Obers pay for upgrade, and increase volks' cost? That would be an interesting experiment. I dont think they are that far off either TBH. But they are off in alot of areas. So alot of areas are called out as being off. A hit to a couple of the Areas is all that is needed. Either a nerf to Ober/Shreks so that they cant support a Panther/Luchs so well or a nerf to Panther/Luchs so that they cant support Ober/Shreks so well. The synergy between those four units is too high or the timing is off or both. What counters Ober/Shreks gets hard countered by the Panther at least for USF. It would be easy to punish infantry with say a Dozer or a couple of HE shermans if the Panther didnt arrive at the same time or shortly afterwards. Else Rifles would have an easier time dealing with Volks/Obers before the Panther/Luchs arrived. KT I cant comment on as its a team game problem that I dont play. If I see a KT I lost long before that. In: Lobby
Thread: USF wishes for patch30 Mar 2015, 12:34 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2015, 12:27 PMJohnnyB Great, so, in fact, the game is balanced and OKW is not OP. The power of the units relative to the actual fuel penalty isnt right. But I am sure you know that and are just being a smartass see Ober/Shrek into Panther as an example. In: Lobby
Thread: USF wishes for patch30 Mar 2015, 12:28 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2015, 12:06 PMKatitof It actually doesn't because of abundance of AT OKW gets. Unless you are rammed with something like KV-8 while you have nothing, OKW is more then capable to dispose of outnumbering armor, especially if its fragile USF armor. This. Shrekblobs can almost always net more than one Medium tank kill. This is why the fuel starved Justification combined with the cheapest teching in the game means very little in my book. May be true on the large cluster that is 4v4 but who cares people should only play that mode drunk anyway... In: Lobby
Thread: USF wishes for patch30 Mar 2015, 11:39 AM Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2015, 08:55 AMJohnnyB You are far to optimistic in my view. But if "balance" for you as for some people on this forum means simply "nerf OKW" you will get what you want, I'm sure about it. Not necessarely the OKW Panther's case here, but you might want to take into consideration that the fuel income has verry subtle effects that not everybody is aware about. Cheap teching in fuel starvation conditions means that you will be able to produce a vehicle as fast as your opponent does. OKW is able to bring a vehicle in due time and when it's needed, no question about it. BUT the effects of fuel starvation (DO NOT FORGET about the fact that the income cannot be boosted as every other faction can, without sacrificing AMO. Not Manpower, but AMO which is also important)is that you will not be able to produce to many of these vehicles along the game and quickly. Which means that IF YOU MAKE A MISTAKE YOU ARE USUALY TOASTED. Of course you can build directly panther which is more durable and can be kept alive easier. But how about the paper-armored vehicles from T3? Puma, AAsdkfz? And they are usually needed in early game. Can my puma fight with your 2 T34/76s? It can, if I am a better player than you and maybe will stay alive. If we are equal, you will probably lose an T34 if I am lucky, and I will lose my puma. You will replace your T34, I will not replace my puma. That's the way things go, and we have to stop denying this and call OKW "OPW" just because it has few better units. It's normal. It needs them. So in the end please compare the 100% fuel income you receive as allied OR ostheer + 3 fuel caches which will boost your income, with 66% "OPW" receives along the game and see how many panthers can "OPW" build and how many shermans/EZ8s/jacksons OR T34s/SU-85s/T34_85s/IS2s you can bring. You must be talking about large team games. Do me a favor. Load up cheatmod or something similar in a 1v1. Pick OKW and cap half the map. Allow USF or Soviets to cap half the map and then turn off the AI so they cap no more. Dont spend any fuel and wait for about 20 mins. Then stop the game note how much fuel you have and watch the replay and note the allies fuel. You will see the difference of about 1 Medium tank. In: Lobby
Thread: USF wishes for patch30 Mar 2015, 00:58 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2015, 19:22 PMAlexzandvar You don't get to arbitrarily factor in the cost of nades an a ambulance when talking about the fuel cost of the Jackson. The Major tier is only 90 fuel and comes with several good tanks. T4 for Soviets is 120 fuel and comes with an insanely useless unit in the form of the SU-76. Not to mention the fact that you keep ignoring that even if the Jackson only cost 15 fuel more it has a turret, higher damage, moves faster, and is more accurate. You don't get to have a mobile TD with almost double the damage of the other TD's then on top ask to have just as much armor and health. And by the way, all the things that would normally be shooting at a Jackson have just as much garenteed a pen chance against a SU-85, which is much less mobile and doesn't have a turret. The JPIV is the most unmaneuverable medium in the game, do you think it has good armor as a joke? No, it has good armor because it is extremely hard to maneuver around the battlefield and it lacks even the ability to traverse it's main gun like the SU-85 can. So what if it's free if you make the BG HQ as your first HQ? Nobody is going to ever make it their first piece of armor because is massively delays your Schwer and the JPIV can't deal with how mobile allied mediums are. Except a Sturmtiger has a 50 second reload between shots. If it could do it's damage faster everyone would say it is OP as shit. It also doesn't track anymore. The Jackson is not only better because it has 240 damage a shot, it has great mobility compared to the other medium TD's. No they are not. the Ostheer and OKW Panther are both 175 fuel. Teching doesn't change the fact your still at a resource disadvantage which means replacing your losses is far more costly. The KT is the most expensive tank in the game despite being only 30 fuel more expensive than the IS2 thanks to teching costs. Once again you ignore everything I posted. 120 fuel is all the Soviets need to Pay for. Starting fuel. US Pays more even without the Ambu or upgrades. As you can clearly see. You said the Panther is better in every way than the JP4 I showed you that you are wrong. Because you are. There are lots of stats the JP4 has that are better. Doenst mean easier to use in an A move blob scenrio but nonetheless the JP4 has lots of better stats then the Panther. SturmTiger has a 50 reload and that was precisely my point. Saying its really good ignoring the horrid reload is like saying the Jackson is really good ignoring its reload. As I have shown you time and time again Time to Kill tanks is what counts. And the Jackson even when Penetrating will do it slower then the Casemate TDs. It already has an inbuilt weakness. Let alone its horrid surviability. I guess doing less damage then the SU85 means double? Because AGAIN you are ignoring DPS and straw manning away at the 240 a shot. But I must digress because your brickwall nature and straw man arguments are becoming tiring for me. You can lead a horse to water and all that... In: Lobby
Thread: USF wishes for patch29 Mar 2015, 14:18 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2015, 13:58 PMkamk And why again would you not use OKWs reduced fuel income for your math? And why would anyone directly tech to a Jackson? Just for the lulz, right? Btw.: the JP4 "focus sites" are a vet special. Let's even say both players want directly a Panther or Jackson, for whatever useless reason. Let's even say he places T1, you get an Amb, both for the starting fuel, map control is equal, and you both start with the same income from minute 0 (which is even impossible, because you got the superior capping power at start, and / or superior map control shortly after) OKW needs 80 (120) for T3, you need 140 for T1 > T3, or approx 1 minute longer. But here's the slight problem: he still needs another equivalent of 242 fuel for a Panther, ((175*1,5)-20)... that's quite some time where you can do whatever the hell floats your boat at this stage of the game. So, even in your weird vacuum example, the Panther will never arrive at the same time of a rushed USF vehicle. It isnt a weird vaccum example and is in the conext of refuting Alexs many false claims. Primarily in this post around Tech costs. USF has one of the highest. In a 1v1 assuming equal map control the USF may get upwards of 100-120 more fuel on average assuming a game lasting 20 mins then OKW depending on if its the Size of Kholdney or Minsk so please stop with the OMG FUEL STARVED! i.e if you control the map and kill a single Medium no more fuel advantage for USF. So to enjoy this benefit they must lose 0 armored units all game long AND the USF player must not go Captain. Further in 1v1 going directly to Panther is very common for OKW. And it usually arrives shortly after the first Sherman in most games. And depending on Map control and I know youll find this HARD to BELIEVE! But OKW can have superior map control and have the Panther arrive at the same time as the Sherman. Its rare but it happens. Either way 1 Sherman is going to do 0 to a Panther with that 1-2 min difference anyway. BTW JP4s focus sites are not vet related. Go load up cheat mod and test for yourself. IT GETS BETTER with Vet. And even then its not even as good as the SU85s. Again if you are going to argue stats please check them first. JP4 Sight Detect mine: 0.0 Detect camo: 10.0 Extended radius: 70.0 Extended: false Cone start radius: 4.5 Cone angle: 140.0 Inner radius: 1.0 Outer radius: 45.0 Panther Sight Detect mine: 0.0 Detect camo: 10.0 Extended radius: 70.0 Extended: false Cone start radius: 0.0 Cone angle: 360.0 Inner radius: 1.0 Outer radius: 35.0 Inner height: -3.0 Outer height: 2.5 In: Lobby
Thread: USF wishes for patch29 Mar 2015, 13:24 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2015, 13:06 PMJaigen One has turrets the other one does not. this makes the jackson far better then the su85 or jp4 on most maps. Better at maybe getting one extra hit in before it has to retreat with inferior Penetration and far inferior to the SU85 at taking out OKWs T4 truck as anything spotting for the Jack will get leveled. The SU85 can fire safely at Max range outside of the annihilation cannons range and has more DPS to kill it faster. All three have advantages that the others do not posses. The Jp4 for example has one of the best Vet 1 abilities, huge armor and a small target size. In a Shoot out the Jp4 will beat the Jackson everytime. Also doctrine choice for the Soviets plays a big part. An SU85 with Mark Vehicle is much much more deadly then a Jackson. The whole point of this though as I am sure you will ignore is that the Jackson is better because 240 a shot! Thats not the bonus everyone makes it out to be as shown in the above posts. Back to the Sturmtiger reference. In: Lobby
Thread: USF wishes for patch29 Mar 2015, 12:57 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2015, 02:21 AMAlexzandvar Except the issue with USF right now is a lack of good AT outside the Jackson, right now the Jackson doesn't have really any huge issues outside of the fact it lacks pen versus heavies. But even then it still has 50% chance to pen at MAX range versus a Panther and 58% versus a Tiger. The Jackson has to have a draw back, or the JPIV and SU-85 need to get better because right now a Jackson costs a fraction of what a SU-85 does thanks to teching but is objectively better. And the JPIV is expensive for a fuel starved faction while doing nothing than being a less mobile panther with shitter stats in every way. Maybe the Jackson could get some more health? But really it preforms GREAT right now. Yeah, the issue is USF doesn't have any other options atm. EDIT: Said KT when I meant Tiger, my apologies. ALEX! LOOK AT THE STATS MAN! lol SU85 cost plus teching minus starting fuel Building 1 50 fuel Building 2 120 fuel starts with 50 fuel. Total Fuel tech cost? 120. SU85 cost? 120. 240 Fuel. Else AT nade and molo 50 fuel 290 fuel. Jackson cost plus teching minus starting fuel LT 50 fuel Major 90 fuel 10 starting fuel. Total tech cost 130. Jackson cost? 125. 255 fuel Else Grenades, BAR, Ambulance 25+15+10 = 50 fuel. 305 fuel total. Captain 80 fuel Major 90 fuel 10 starting fuel. Total tech cost 160 fuel. Jackson cost? 125. 285 fuel. Else Grenades, BAR, Ambulance 25+15+10 = 50 fuel. 335 Fuel. JagdPanzer IV Tech cost minus starting fuel? 0 thats right GOOSE EGG! Unit cost? 135 fuel. JagdPanzer has a smaller target size then the Panther by FAR in fact smaller then most light vehicles and DPS of 32-25. With enough Pen to ignore all USFs armor values but the Easy 8s/Dozer at Max range. Panther DPS? 21-15. Tech cost? 80 fuel. 170 fuel for the unit itself. Total fuel? 250. So AS YOU CAN SEE the Panther can arrive around the time of the first USF vehicle. At the same time if the USF player techd to Nades, BARs and Ambu or went Captain tech. Please take the time to look this stuff up before you make claims. Its gets tiring digging up the stats to crush your intentional or accidental misinformation. Edit: I am going to start calling the USF fuel starved since all their tech is more expensive then Soviets and OKWs. USF is a fuel starved faction. Oh yeah and to scale need alot of Muni so they are also Muni starved. Edit again: Forgot the JP4 also has a mini version of focus sites up all the time. They spot for themselves. The Panther does not.And the Jp4 has 60 range. The Panther has 50. In: Lobby
Thread: USF wishes for patch29 Mar 2015, 02:04 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2015, 02:01 AMbraciszek ?... At any rate, a "tank hunter" is of a higher class than tank destroyers. The M36 is merely a glass cannon, as it is designed in a different manner... You shoot, hit, and penetrate something, it blows up. If the target runs away and goes around a corner, then the m36 does nothing. If it gets too close to the enemy, then it will be destroyed. When it gets destroyed, USF loses its only counter to anything with 300+ armor... Ive never bled as much fuel than when replacing m36 jackson losses because of USF's awesome list of high penetration weapons has so many alternatives... Got lots of dodge-able artillery, though... I was being an ass and quoting Alex on his other thread about Panther being a Tank Hunter. Its all Rhetoric. They both have the same Job. One is just better at it with a faction surrounding it that is better at the task too. Point I am making if your job is to destroy tanks and you do 240 Damage IF you Pen every minute it doesnt mean crap (Yes I know the Jack has a faster reload than this just illustrating the Straw Man in the room). So the TDs that do 160 a shot that fire MUCH faster still do more damage then the Jack. In: Lobby
Thread: USF wishes for patch29 Mar 2015, 01:43 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2015, 01:22 AMAlexzandvar To bad the Panther isn't a TD. You don't just get to have the Jackson with 240 damage then demand your highly mobile TD should have more pen and armor than all the other slower TD's the cost more. A Jackson isnt a Tank Destroyer! Its a tank HUNTER! LOL Please. Panther is as much a Tank Destroyer as the Jackson is. Long Range? Check. High Pen? Check. Speed? Check. Where the Jackson has higher DPS the Panther has more surviability and can hurt infantry. They play the same role. You can call it what you will. But in game both the Jackson and the Panthers job are to kill tanks. Killing tanks destroys them. Thus tank destroyers. IRL has nothing to do with uses in game and game balance. All other "Tank Destroyers" that are not the Panther have higher DPS, Higher Pen, More HPs, Sight for themselves (yes the JP4 does have extended sight standard), and more armor than the Jackson. All the Jackson has going for it above and beyond them is a Turret and speed. 240 a shot means jackshit unless what they are shooting at things with 240 HP or less. Which they dont. Otherwise a little thing we call reload impacts its ability to kill armor. Thus the Sturmtiger analogue. If damage per shot was the only meaningful stat then the Sturmtiger is the best tank in game. Sadly that is not the case. In: Lobby