Profile of Imagelessbean

So OKW should remain almost unplayable versus Howitzer spammers in 1's and 2's because people in 3's and 4's have a hard time against OKW late game? What kind of logic is that?

What "advantages" does OKW still have over say Soviets (the biggest users of artillery)? I know each faction has it's own strengths but using Vet 5 or quicker access to tanks (while not being to make 50% as many as your enemy) to justify OKW being raped by the ML-20 is insane.

You know the LefH and ML-20 have the same scatter right? And the LefH does 160 damage compared to the ML-20's 300. Both cost the same, and fire close to the same number of shells once the ML-20 hit's vet 1.

How is giving OKW a howitzer counter which every other faction in the entire game has wrong? And you know that getting a Stuka isn't easy as chips in 2's either right? Rushing a stuka means you will be out any serious vehicle support at all for a long ass time and to get it out in a reasonable amount of time it forces you to use conversion which places an even larger handi-cap on you.


Look dude; you have almost no games as OKW in 2v2. Stop trying to act like I'm a fan boy or on some Allies nerf crusade because I find it broken as hell that I can play perfectly in a 2v2 and then get rewarded for my efforts by all my trucks being blown up without there being anything I can to stop it.

and lol "sneak" into his howitzer? yeah that's what I already do except 90% of the time it doesn't work because OKW has no pin point artillery that can be used on base sectors

Ahh yes, using my playercard as a weapon. I will note I have, shall I say, quite a bit of experience with Germans. You seem to think that 2v2 is so disconnected from 3v3 and 4v4 and to some degree my 2v2 experience, that I could not possibly understand your arguments.

What you were asking for is actually a one hit kill button. No faction should have regular access to these, so yes I don't want to see OKW get those. As a reminder OKW has access to the best stock inf in the game, the best call in inf, the best tanks, the best on map mobile arty, the best base construction, and the hardest and most diverse counters, besides having the fastest tanks, and the deepest vet. Truly OKW is weak to some Soviet play, but its not like playing Soviet guarantees you can beat OKW.

As a reminder about the Stuka, since you did not read my post, if your opponent invests heavily in Howitzers, then he is not going to supply his army with mobile tanks and assault guns, he has to pick some things to get them. In contrast, your ally can then get mobile tank units to cover your stuka's, or you can invest in some of the most cost effective AT in the game, including rakentens which can cloak natively now. Also the Stuka is extremely accurate, and with proper support it can hit base sectors. Use the map, smoke, and your teammate to get in range of the bigger guns. Also you get and IR HT to see through FoW now for 0 fuel. OKW is purposely weak to artillery, it has to try to draw the Allies into combat where it can win unit for unit.

Indeed the LefH and the ML20 are very similar to some degree, but the ML20 packs far more punch. However, both types of arty are given more shells to help compensate because no shell is likely to hit a target. If we reduce shell number the scatter needs to come down on both. Not really sure how you thought I was just saying the ML20 needs this. If you want to make them more about hitting a point then you need to allow them to do so. Another option is to prevent Stuka dive bomb from clearing out the ML20 and then nerf it. Currently it has to do serious damage because at 12 cps the German player can just take it completely off the field.

As for the "sneaking" one Luchs can clear off a gun quite quickly and getting in close brings other advantages than off maps. I don't mean for you to use off maps to win the game you have tools to deal with things other than call in a bombing strike from the sun. A luchs close to his base gives valuable intel and lets you decide when to make a critical push. Once the guns is down he has two options, invest in AT to help hold the line immediately and forsake getting a gun. Or reinvest in a big gun and go light on the line again, making him vulnerable to pushes. Killing the artillery is nice, but the objective of a game is vp's so getting those ticked down with artillery firing is fine.

I am not calling you a fan boy, but your posts have almost always been about buffing OKW units. Your experience with other factions is limited, and your posts often suggest you don't understand how basic Allied units function in a well balanced army. You are often at the losing end of discussions because you take balance personally and don't reflect on the satisfaction of having a game balanced so all factions are fun to play throughout the game.

Avoiding grenades while using defensive stance is very easy. And your assuming you can even close with the riflesquad in question to nade him before he kills you...

"Offensive stance" (don't kid yourself that's how people use it) needs to get fired into the sun and burn in hell alongside old button, old vet 2 riflenades, and old hit the dirt!

I think way to many people think the solution to USF problems is make them more blobby than they already are.

Defensive stance needs a rework, but it is hardly "easy" to avoid grenades. Either you pop it and lose the bonuses, and begin a cool down timer, or you retreat. Played against it many times, while good and gimmicky its in no way unstoppable. ISG for OKW is a reliable threat to rifles doing this now too, and for a reasonable cost. If you want to get real nasty get a stuka and fire it on retreat path.

Not sure where you decided people wanted more "blobbyness" from in prior posts. Seems like people want rifles to be able to function by themselves so they don't have to blob. Lack of suppression units is a core problem with OKW, and a poor decision. Wehr obviously has no problem now that MG42 is T0 and still less than rifles per unit.

I've never really understood this "rifles scale poorly" argument, flamers/m1919's give you upgrades that vastly outperform lmg grens/volks on any map at any stage of the game.

Defensive stance is pure bs that lets you beat 440mp falls with a 70 muni upgrade. I'm pretty sure if the gren MG42 could suppress shock troops there would be pure outrage

Defensive stance is good, but you know that's his plan. Get some munitions stored up and throw a grenade on him when it pops, he has to retreat. This works for literally any faction. It is especially nice for wehr who can drop Rnades at distance.

Also, as pointed out, these are doc upgrades. USF is so underwhelming as a faction right now.

ml 20 reduced damage and aor,both ml 2o and lefh can't be build in base,cost fuel like 60 or 80 and have longer cooldown

This is a pretty huge nerf for the Soviets without as large a nerf to the Germans. If you did this artillery should not be destroyable by a single off map hit (aka stuka dive bomb).

The on-map artillery is good right now, but shelling bases is annoying. We might consider reducing number of shells by one or two and increasing cool down a bit. Cool downs are very short right now. Honestly though I have no sympathy for OKW. If you build your trucks far forward and mass retreat frequently, guess what, allies now have a counter to that. This is especially true in team games.

Played against howitzers as OKW in a long 3v3 game. Ultimately I was able to bleed them of MP by using Stuka. Since he invested heavily in static units and lightly armored SU76's to protect the guns, I invested heavily in Stukas. They gained vet quickly from weapon teams and fired rapidly so I never was in danger of getting them destroyed. When they got range extensions I was able to hit the actual guns and at that point the game was over.

Crush prevents you from leaving infantry in combat against an opponent with higher levels of skill. Your infantry are out of place and the tank is being microed to kill them. Either learn to support your infantry better or press T. Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill.