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MG34's suppression isn't that great either, but IMO it has better accuracy and killing power than other HMGs especially if you give it accuracy bulletin. But a lower ROF. I would imagine it's similar for Vickers

The MG34 suppresses about as fast as the MG42 last I checked... It just had garbage damage. Which makes it a reasonably good HMG. It suppresses blobs in 1 burst, like the MG42. Quality HMG, does its job.

Adding acc should just make it better, as it is unlikely to kill before suppression.

There is a magic suppression per second/damage per second ratio, if its high enough the squad is suppressed before model kill. Some HMGs are tuned right to suppress before end-of-burst cooldown. The MG42 has that tuned really nicely, and that's why its the best HMG in the game. The MG 34 over shoots that ratio, so adding acc (pure +dps) is fine. The Vickers undershoots that ratio and just has low suppression/second so it both kills the model, giving the target squad time to lose some suppression AND gives a big enough window for a second squad to just walk past. The gun can't stop a 2 squad push to save its life, literally.

The Maxim just has low suppression. Get 2 and it works alright vs blobs due to massive AoE suppression.

DHSK and M2 are good, just low field of view. Not good at locking down areas like a large FoV gun like the Vickers SHOULD BE. M2 used to be down right oppressive as it could back up and set up fast enough to suppress the squad flanking it.

This topic comes up like clockwork every couple months and was heavily discussed during the Patch Discussion phase, without any changes (this is the Commander and Egregious Balance Patch, not General Balance Patch). My understanding is fixing the Vickers means it becomes a MG42 clone, which would make UKF even more standardized with OST. Something the balance team is aggressively fighting.

Yea, it has pretty iffy suppression, stacked with high damage. In the worst case, it kills a model triggering end-of-burst cooldown and aim time, gutting fire rate. Its a friggen Maxim knock off and should have effectively infinite burst time (same as the Maxim, as its a tweaked Maxim). They tried to burn one out and failed. They ran out of ammo and patience.

It can and WILL die to 2 grenadiers rushing it frontally and 1 launching rifle grenade. Or 2 elite infantry straight blobbing it. It takes forever to suppress anyone in green cover.

It can be made function if baby sat by a pyro'd IS, but also needs an engineer to prevent LV rush. The balance team is trying to PREVENT IS spam, not incentivize it and they aren't a good generalist.

The nerfs to Pgrens and Obers nade range makes face bundling not as common (if you have another source of vision) until Vet.

It has also the by-far worst Vet 1 ability of any HMG (used to not even have one). About 10x worse than incendiary rounds as tested by Tightrope. It gets more range and accuracy... on a gun that needs suppression. Yea, iffy at best. Actually CUTTING accuracy might make it stronger.

Yea, its really really iffy. I've found it has to be in Green cover so it can eat a grenade, as its GOING to eat a grenade. Not to mention the plethora of expected incoming uncounterable (because UKF) indirect fire.

It literally doesn't suppress enough to be worth it. It can't suppress a blob, and dies due to HMG 1.25 RA. Bren'd Sections do dramatically better blob control, depressingly enough.

I would really suggest juicing the suppression enough to prevent consistent rifle grenades. Otherwise, massively cut the aim time so the gun doesn't just... stop shooting on model down.

I might have strong feelings about this.

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You're basically just pointing out UKF crutches, not issues with WFA. Yea, UKF is weird and has weird stuff to make up for massive holes in its design. Not having a snare on a mainline is a Big Friggen Deal. Have you played UKF in small games recently? The LV play is brutal pre-AEC.

EFA is still using the systems you described, and EFA is STILL clearly the best 1v1 factions, with parity in team games. 7 man Scripts are HUGELY durable outlasters and that's post-UKF release. The patch team leaned INTO that design, and it continues to be strong.

UKF is literally the worst possible example for tactical vs 'do it all efficiently'. Literally everything they have is incredibly specialized, except for the Comet and Cromwell, to the detriment of UKF. Every other army gets a general purpose mainline that can hold/snare. UKF has to get 2 separate units to do that, with until next patch the longest cooldown snare. You want tactical specialized units? Play UKF.

'Do it all efficiently' is the name of the game for Axis armor, that why its really good. The P4 does all jobs fantastic, with no downsides outside of not being heavier. The Panther does all jobs acceptable, and forces highly specialized AT units. Tiger is just a super P4, and is good because of it.

Infantry combat is fine and varied, if a bit short for long retreat maps where a single skirmish can really impact the early game.

Its like being spotted by a flare. All vision is either quiet close or has some telltale sign.

My favorite is the burning wreckage of a recon plane.

Standard MGs per faction REALLY helps with readability. Its an easy fix that improvew play.