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Thread: SU-85; The Thread13 Aug 2013, 20:10 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Aug 2013, 19:20 PMpanzerjager2 Are you that daft .... Nice ad hominem argument for starters Jump back to quoted post13 Aug 2013, 19:20 PMpanzerjager2 panzer gren squads are SLOW SU85 can REVERSE FASTER THAN ANY GERMAN TANKS FORWARD SPEED and you think they wouldnt simple reverse outta the way and send in shocks/maxims/conscripts/snipers to force you to retreat those shrek squads ? So in your scenario the german player has just one squad of pgrens and the russian player has SU85/shocks/maxims/conscripts/snipers. Well that sucks, the german player should really work on his unit preservation! Anyway you probably didn`t understand my argument or you just didn`t want to. It`s about countering and what you build when. And you don`t need to kill the SU85(s), you need to win the game. Actually focusing so much on killing the damn SU85 might be what keeps you from winning in the first place. If your opponent retreats to his base just cap the map - since he wasted his resources on tier 4 building and SU85(s) you should have an advantage as far as infatry goes. Jump back to quoted post13 Aug 2013, 19:20 PMpanzerjager2 Finally ... snipers on BOTH sides op? LOL do you even play germans ... do you know how ridiculously fragile the one man German sniper is ? The Russian 2 man sniper can counter snipe the German one all day long due to the 2 man advantage. Also Russians have 6 man squads which means the German sniper is even less effective. The fact that russian sniper can countersnipe the german one much easily than vice versa is undoubtedly true (I didn`t claim otherwise). That doesn`t mean the snipers are balanced against the rest of the units though. And finally, I play both factions, usually the one that has smaller percentage in auto-match since I don`t have time to wait too long. Lately that meant more soviets - interesting that despite crying on forums how soviets are OP, most of the people actually don`t want to play them and prefer germans But to be honest I prefer germans for 1v1s too. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-85; The Thread13 Aug 2013, 19:13 PM SU85 is fine as it is. Dr.Octogon and StephennJF said it very well. The problem is german players still go for Panzer IV(s) even when they know SU85 is coming or even when it is on the field already. That is just plain bad countering! (Even though PIV can possibly outmaneuver SU85 because of its slow rotating speed, but still, SU85 is SUPPOSED to counter medium armor.) If you keep spamming a medium tank every game, any decent player will just build apropriate counter unit every game. So surprising and outrageous right? How dare they even do that! SU85 is absolutely god awful against infantry. If you see SU85 and go for ifantry instead, the russian player just wasted huge amount of resources on tier 4 building and SU85(s) that won`t do anything. Plus Panzergrenadiers with schreks absolutely tear apart SU85s (and many other units...). Then there is smoke to block its line of sight etc. but that is secondary. Someone told me: "Yeah, but my infantry is getting killed by the sniper(s)." Well that may be the case, but then the question is not what to do about the SU85 but what to do about the sniper(s). And in this case I am inclined to agree with ppl who say snipers - on both sides - in general are OP (a unit that can insta-kill any infantry, has long range and cloak on friggin tier 1?? - I wouldn`t mind snipers being general-specific call in units with 4 or 5 command points requirement for example, but that`s OT). Anyway, seems like german is the new protoss - just qq-ing about how everything is OP and their faction so terribly underpowered in comparison. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Another Penal Battalion challenge13 Aug 2013, 16:05 PM That first satchel I imagine the surviving member of the penal battalion was like "What`s up germanz? Trolololo" Penals are so much more fun than the boring conscript squads, too bad they are so expensive for what they do... Whenever playing penals there is the question of how to deal with german vehicles, especially the everpresent annoying flamer half-track. I imagine most people would go guards into tier 4. You went for an interesting choice of quick tier 2 and ZiS AT guns, any particular reasoning behind this, may I ask? In: Replays