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Thread: T34/8510 Oct 2013, 21:11 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2013, 20:35 PMUGBEAR Since T-34/85s hit the filed later than a PZIV, and even a Panther can sometimes show up earlier than a T-34/85. I think it's necessary to do a T-34/85 vs. Panther series. Panther cost (600MP/130FU) Armor 270(F), 960HP, 160damge/hit, 170 penetration Reload+Aim=6.45+0.125=6.575sec Scatter 6.0 AOE 0.5 speed max:5.5 Have a Turret Machine gun upgrade for AA purpose and bonus to AI T-34/85 cost (360MP/130FU but you must pay 720/260 for call-in) Armor 124(F), 800HP, 160damage/hit, 110 penetration Reload+Aim=8.45+0.125=8.575sec Scatter 2.6, AOE 2.5 speed max: 5.3 Panther penetrating T-34/85: 124/170=100% T-34/85 penetrating Panther: 110/270=40.7407% *Panther finishing off a T-34/85: (800/160)6.575/(100%)=32.875sec T-34/85 finishing off a Panther: (960/160)8.575/(40.7407)=126.286sec (BOOM!)* Though T-34/85 have better AI at main gun, but the turret machine gun of a Panther can compensate this disadvantage a little bit, and notice that Panther is slightly fast than T-34/85. And, T-34/85 hits the field can be as late as a Panther or even later than a Panther. FULL-RETARDED vehicle balancing. You can't really ignore the fact that call-in tanks have zero tech requirement. If the panther was a call-in tank at 5cp for the same cost, that would be just ridiculously OP since teching to T4 is prohibitively expensive normally. That said, I would agree with a small buff to the T34-85, probably increase its penetration to 130 from 110 or increase its ROF. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Conscript vs. Gren matchup9 Oct 2013, 04:43 AM I think conscripts lose more often in a 1on1 fight vs grens not only due to the ease of grenadiers to all get into cover. Conscripts also have less survivability per man, so they are usually the first one to lose a man in the beginning of the fight, which decreases their squad dps. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Very few cost effective counters to upgraded Grens8 Oct 2013, 20:51 PM Can someone work out the new LMG gren dps numbers post-patch? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: October 8th Changelog8 Oct 2013, 20:50 PM The only thing that really stands out for me is the Stug nerf. It reverses an earlier patch that buffed the stug by changing its target size from 20 to 14. Otherwise, I love this patch! In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Very few cost effective counters to upgraded Grens8 Oct 2013, 18:10 PM Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2013, 15:31 PMMathias_Bras Fair enough. Here is the table for G43s if anyone is interested Distance: near / med / far 4 Grens : 23.956 / 16.484 / 9.012 3 Grens : 20.181 / 14.082 / 7.983 2 Grens : 16.406 / 11.68 / 6.954 1 Gren : 8.203 / 5.84 / 3.477 Yes, it seems to me that G43 and Penals are roughly the same, with the edge going to G43s if you can stay at range and Penals being better up close. So the practical application here is that if you are facing G43s, use terrain to stay out of LOS to get close if you can. Otherwise if you have G43's stay at range. Thanks for the well though out analysis and numbers. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Game breaking items6 Oct 2013, 17:24 PM Agree with reducing the impact of the RNG. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Some ongoing gameplay issues and bugs6 Oct 2013, 02:09 AM OP, I agree with most of your points. I would add that LMGs are a bit too cost-effective right now too. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Very few cost effective counters to upgraded Grens3 Oct 2013, 19:38 PM Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2013, 19:22 PMTurtle DPS, but DPS doesn't equal real world play. This isn't Starcraft. The LMG has an advantage because when it fires, its damage isn't distributed over a squad, and instead goes to a single man. This is why the LMG is so effective at killing. It starts cutting down squad members, quickly reducing the target squad's damage output. Meanwhile, with superior armor and range, the enemy has to come to them. If the Penals try to charge forward to engage, if there isn't enough cover along the way, they are cut down to low numbers before being able to throw a satchel. G43s have a similar effect, although more likely to spread the damage amongst the squad. Pure DPS numbers are nice, but still not indicative of play. A good starting point, but not the end all. +1 Well articulated. Either LMGs need to be nerfed or Penals/Conscripts need a buff. The fact that an anti-infantry only elite unit (Penals) loses horribly (for cost) to their ideal target (Grens) is a clear balance problem. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Very few cost effective counters to upgraded Grens2 Oct 2013, 23:06 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2013, 22:50 PMNullist Your whole post reads like an "excuse" post for Penals, trying to defend how shitty they are. Hmmm... What? I'm "defending" how shitty they are? I am pretty sure I'm advocating a buff for them, actually. Also, I never accused you of stating incorrect DPS numbers or giving false information. Where do you come off accusing people of random things? My earlier post contained only a list of reasons why Penals are not cost effective, and was not a personal attack. Relax, bro. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Very few cost effective counters to upgraded Grens2 Oct 2013, 22:38 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2013, 18:48 PMNullist As I said: Infact according to those figures, they do substantially more damage than G43, and even LMG. They dont drain manpower if you Merge them with Cons, btw. Cheap reinforce and all of em get SVTs. Merge is definitely helpful, in some situations, sure. But you can't just assume there just happens to be a conscript nearby every time you need to reinforce. So, most of the time, you WILL be paying 50% more than a lmg or g43 gren squad. They come with satchels which are just retarded and only punishes command lag, instead of free fausts on grens. You also haven't addressed the fact that they require a very expensive and excruciatingly slow to build T1 building. Fact is, Penals under perform for their cost, even though they are not useless by any means. There is just no incentive at all to build them instead of more conscripts or Guards. In: COH2 Balance