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Thread: Flanking is back!!!14 Sep 2013, 04:36 AM Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2013, 16:53 PMNullist Ost Weapon Team: 8.85 / 4.83 / 0.81 Sov Weapon Team: 5.54 / 3.47 / 1.4 Yeah, you are right. They do have increased DPS, except at far range, if these numbers are correct. now that i look closer, im not sure where nullist pulled these numbers. those arent even close to what i had on the spreadsheet. my numbers were inaccurate anyway though. these numbers have been fixed now, although you have to look at a seperate tab for incremental accuracy. the problem is dps for an mg42 is fairly complex since it changes based on the number of entities in its search radius. the more entities, the more accurate it is, meaning more dps. this increased dps obviously caps once the accuracy reaches 100%. for each entity killed, the accuracy and dps start going down. maxims accuracy and dps are constant. the best i can do for comparison purposes is assume the mg42 fires on 1 full squad of 6 men. MG42 DPS vs 6 entities: near: 48.57 mid: 26.62 far 4.67 Maxim DPS vs any number of entities near: 24.18 mid: 15.08 far 5.99 sorry if my old numbers caused any confusion. should be all better now. just in case anyones curious, heres the mg42 with the smallest accuracy bonus possible. MG42 DPS vs a single entity near: 30.16 mid: 16.53 far:2.90 In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Spotting Scope on Elephants14 Sep 2013, 03:48 AM this ability is great when working properly. unfortunately i rarely have it work well for me. every time a conscript walks within 100m of my elefant it decides to turn which disables the spotting scope. the only way to stop it from doing this is to attack ground which means youve exposed your position and now have to wait for the 8.55 second reload. if they add a hold fire or hold position button, maybe this ability needs to be looked at. currently it only works well maybe 50% of the time. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Flanking is back!!!13 Sep 2013, 20:02 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2013, 16:53 PMNullist Ost Weapon Team: 8.85 / 4.83 / 0.81 Sov Weapon Team: 5.54 / 3.47 / 1.4 Yeah, you are right. They do have increased DPS, except at far range, if these numbers are correct. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApmrrrPr20ncdEpuSHcxNko1VGVFYjczYXpFZWhqOHc#gid=0 sorry, i just found out some of our dps numbers are actually incorrect. namely, certain burst weapons with incremental accuracy. this will improve the mg42 dps substantially, while not changing the maxim. sorry again for the bad numbers. im working fix it right now. im going to have to add a new tab on the spreadsheet for incremental accuracy weapons. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Nerf this shit already!13 Sep 2013, 19:18 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2013, 18:55 PMAppleseed well T70 is ok easy to counter, pgren, P4, ostwind. KV8 on the other hand, i just had 2 pgren got BBQed by it under few secs and my 2 pgren only able to fire off 2 rockets before all burn to ash. and KV8 can soak alot damage so they can run back tho their friendly troops fine KV8 pushing with SU85 and having Incendiary Artillery Barrage dropping on my head is the grossest thing i face in COH2 my point is if they nerf german flame halftrack, why not nerf the KV8 2 it kill infantry like instant well to be fair, you should never attack the best AI tank in the game with infantry, even if they are the best AT inf. those pgrens never stood a chance. i agree the kv8 kills a little too fast though. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: MG42 Post Patch13 Sep 2013, 19:15 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2013, 19:01 PMwayward516 Did he have the Molotov range bulletin? That could be a factor. I take it specifically for scenarios like the one you describe. Also, AFAIK MG42s can shoot farther than they can see which may have been a factor. youre right that sight is a factor. mgs can shoot 10m further than they can see. its possible that i could have suppressed him in time if i had a spotter. this was without oorah though, i think oorah would negated that extra range. ill have to play more and see. also, they did not have to molotov bulletin. thats a worthless bulletin anyway. i forget the exact numbers, but it gives something like .75m extra range. hardly worth using and if you can molotov at 15.75m, youll be able to get a molotov off at 15m too. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: MG42 Post Patch13 Sep 2013, 18:51 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2013, 18:12 PMraw let me put it this way: you still have to be an idiot and fuck up your MG42's positioning so it can "be killed headon by a conscript squad". for example, lolrallying the first MG42 into the house outside the soviet base is a lot harder to pull off now. i know from experience that for many german players this comes as a shock. this isnt true. on minsk i put an mg in the sandbags at the munitions on the right side. it was pointed directly at the opening in the wall. conscripts walk straight at me (no oorah) and throw a molotov before i suppressed them, not even close to a pin. i know my mg wasnt supported and you can all jump on for not adapting or l2p. the fact is, 1 conscript walking straight at an mg, doesnt seem right. i know its a support unit, but having a gren squad there wouldnt have stopped that molotov. i didnt lose the mg but i was forced to retreat. im not expecting the mg to hold large areas of the map, but this is what soviets complained about the maxim for. "grens can walk straight at me and rifle nade". well the cons can now do that and they have to walk even further. attacking an mg should take tactics for both sides. flank, send 2 squads on opposite sides of the arc, etc. walking straight at an mg reminds me of what the maxim used to do in the beta and that was extremely broken In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Give me a reason why KV8 is OP?13 Sep 2013, 16:48 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2013, 16:41 PMpanzerjager2 +1 A lot of the soviet only players who defend KV8 saying its a "heavy tank" dug themselves a hole when they realize it costs almost the same as a medium tank. KV8 badly needs a cost increase or armor reduction. i dont think its armor is an issue. its tough, but it should be. its too effective for its cost though. i suggest a cost increase and lowering its dps a bit. just have to hope that relic will feel the same soon. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Sick/bored of MG42 -.-13 Sep 2013, 16:45 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2013, 15:15 PMNullist Dont worry, Ekko Tek. The survival discrepancy will become a topic soon enough. Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2013, 16:29 PMpqumsieh The increased survivalabity of the Soviets is off-set by the increased DPS of the German weapon teams. So in Nullists example, he brings 6 friends and I bring 4. The only difference is he brought knives to a gun fight. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Nerf this shit already!13 Sep 2013, 16:43 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2013, 16:27 PMInfernalis Shreks hit the T70 reliably, the Pak and Zis need some accuracy buff. they hit a t70 the same amount as another other AT weapon. 35% at far range and 70% at near range. you might be able to scare a t70 away if you have enough infantry rushing it, but 1 pgren squad usually wont win that fight unless the soviet is bad or the german gets lucky. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Give me a reason why KV8 is OP?13 Sep 2013, 16:30 PM noobelite, we get it. youre not contributing anything to this thread at this point. youre not going to get him to leave, if anything youll just start an argument and derail the thread. panzerjager, are you hoping if you whine enough theyll do the same for you? you may be disappointed to know, the devs dont actually balance like that. back on topic, i talked to pqumsieh about kv8 a little. he said he thought the kv8 is balanced currently. i brought up how powerful its gun was and suggested possibly giving it a longer burst but with less dps, so its total damage per burst stayed the same. that would allow it to still kill infantry dumb enough to stay and fight, but give retreating units a better chance. he said the unit is designed to cause shock by killing quickly though. i then raised the point about its cost compared to the brummbar and ostwind. he said brummbar is much better vs tanks and the ostwind has better range and also doubles as AA. i dont entirely agree with his reasoning. i think kv8 would still clear the map just as fast if it took 3-4 seconds to kill a squad instead of just 2. im also not sure the kv8s AT and ostwinds 5 extra range and AA warrant their cost relative to the kv8. he did say hes not entirely against ever changing the unit, he just wants to see how the meta changes first. the is2 and shock changes have improved those doctrines, but on the other hand panther is now (arguably) easier to get. well just have to wait and see In: COH2 Balance