Profile of HS King

I did some measuring, and side by side playing CoH1 and CoH2 on my dual monitor setup. The camera is the same distance as CoH1 in almost every case.

The only time this changes is if sections of the map are higher or lower. I think the camera tilt may be different though.

The reason why people think the camera is closer is that the weapon ranges on all the cannon type weapons have been drastically increased. While I was initially happy with the change, I do think it has led to some problems. I don't think drawing the camera even further back is going to fix that.

Also, there's a lot of things I like about CoH2 over CoH1, but the engine isn't one of them. Take off the rose colored glasses and CoH1 was still a good game, but it wasn't some chess-like zen game. It was just a good game with its own balance scheme, much like CoH2 is its own balance scheme.

Have a look at the size of infantry in both games, in vcoh they are tiny and you get to see a much larger portion of the map. In coh 2 it seems like you are looking through a keyhole, this really frustrates and stops a lot of possible attack avenues.

Im not talking about the balance issues - they can and will be ironed out, Im talking about how the game works/feels to play. The input from vcoh was so fast and crisp that you could get your guys to do anything you wanted basically any time in coh2 its so sluggish even with the fix.

Like KingAnj said the retreat button in vcoh was like a tactical choice which your men followed near instantly , sure there was times they got wiped out but thats part of the game, in coh2 they sometimes sit there fore 3-5 seconds milling about.

For anyone who doubts it please watch that video the game is a bit one sided but it shows you everything you need to know. Look how beautifully and fluidly the infantry move around and follow commands, space out and bunch up when needed, look at the fantastic physics which effects everything in the game ( at one point a rocket even flies through a hole in the side of the enemies HQ and kills some pios on the other side) as a side note look how great the effects look.

Now ifyou are going to make a sequel to a game why change the basic mechanics of the game for worse? Why make the bread and butter of the game inferior to the first game?

I mean coh2 has some awesome stuff and in many cases it is much better but why make the units move so poorly and slowly, delay their reactions and change the perspective size / ratio to make it into a completely different game style?

Hey guys I think coh2 has potential to be better than vcoh but right now its not even close, and a lot of it has to do with the game engine IMO.

There are 2 things that I think would make a massive change - first one being take the camera back to the same distance as was in vcoh. This enables a much larger map overview and enables much more tactical play, effective flanks and brings it in line with what vcoh was about. The maps dont help much, they are all so closed off and are like the worst of the vcoh ones. Most great vcoh maps had room to maneuvre. The fact that some units have huge range only makes it worse that the camera is so close in.


The other is unit speed and reaction time - please bring it back to vcoh levels ie. instant response. Inf moved very quick, there was no dawdling around, no jumping, stalling and getting stuck. Units shot on the move and could wipe out squads beautifully if they put themselves in a bad position. Right now the inf gets stuck and seems like it stops shooting a lot of the time. The reaction time is another killer. Just go back and watch even one game of vcoh, see how beautiful, smooth and responsive the units are. THis needs to come back, it enables micro of the highest level, makes the game a joy to play and rewards a good player.

for your reference please watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj_MCt9KnwY - vcoh was like a game of chess in a realistic battlefield scenario coh2 isn't like that, it is/can be great but with these changes it could be so much better.

Id love to hear your feedback as to why these issues are there and what can be done about them. I mean there are other matters but I think these are the most important ones and would give a hell of a lot of enjoyment back to a lot of people.

Thanks guys

Check out 30:10 now when is the last (only?) time you have seen even a basic hit effect like this in coh2? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsVP3yDPl5k

I have enough gore in my matches. limbs flying, blood and stuff. didnt they even said that the corpses stay longer visible on the battlefield?

Yeh I have noticed bodies stay longer, but none of them are disfigured in any way. Im not some bloodthirsty gamer, but it added so much atmosphere to the first game. I cant agree with you that there is enough limbs flying, as I basically never see it at all? Am I the only one on this?

Yes, I agree those kinds of RNG are fine and they add a flavor to the game. Some things should not be random elements.

Mortar teams are cool.

Models being alpha damaged down is cool.

The way weapons generally work is pretty cool.

These add a unique flavor to the game because they add unique elements.

But at no point do they increase the skill cap. You aren't suddenly a good player because your Conscript squad just 1-hit a PzGren model and can now beat the rest of the squad.
You aren't suddenly a better player if your mortar team gets a lucky hit on a squad and 1-hits it.

And you certainly aren't a better player if you overextend your tank and nothing happens because some random number generator said so.

It doesnt decrease skill gap either - I understand the nature of something being random. But you are acting as if the whole game is random - your trrops move to random locations on the map, attack on their own, random units come from off map to help the war effort... For the most part you are 100% in control of your forces and your choices, so no this does not promote bad play.

Can sometimes things happen not like you intended? yes of course but thats the nature of the game, and in life all things need a bit of luck. You over come this by being prepared and doing everything you can to get the outcome you want.