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No it don't have 100 range in static mode! Where did you get those numbers? It have like 70. I played last 2 games with KV-2 with spotter\attack ground. It certanly dont have 100 range.

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Maybe KV-2 had 100 range before ISU\jacdtiger\Elefant range nerf, when they had 100 range too

Thanks for linking my own site. You are right though, I've completely missed the half a year old changelog and that KV-2 range change.
KV-2 has 70 range in indirect fire mode, so it doesn't have a greater range than ISU-152.

Its not really the fuel cost that is a problem here.

Remember KV-2 costed 440mp before. Now it costs over 600 in a doctrine most heavily penalized on menpower.

It also have worst survivability out of all heavy armor with only 800hp, yet costs as much as IS-2/Tiger except having considerably lesser stats while not providing anything over ISU, which still survives much better and performs better in both AT and AI thanks to scatter and accuracy that actually allows it to hit anything.

You've seen the yt clip, KV-2 have hard time hitting panther sitting in front of it. This thing was battered with nerfs on the cost increase patch as well as the whole doctrine was when relic kept increasing menpower and fuel costs for everything until it became not affordable for the doctrine.

I know, if you read my other posts in this thread that's what I've been saying - the fuel cost is fine and MP would have been fine too, if KV-2 was in any other doctrine. In Soviet Industry the MP cost is not fine. But it's more of a problem with the doctrine than with KV-2 itself.

As for it's survivability - it's not as survivable as other heavy tanks, because it can shoot from behind obstacles. I'm also pretty sure it's intended role is different than other heavy tanks. So not a damage sponge that can deal some damage, but a support artillery that can take some beating. I'm also not really sold on accuracy/scatter differances - it has larger scatter angle but less scatter distance, as well as having the same base accuracy as old ISU/current HE ISU. As for penetration values - are they so bad for a long range general purpose gun?

Though, since I was wrong about the indirect fire range - which is indeed only 70 - I guess KV-2 could use a buff somwhere. Like bring it's HP back to 960 or increase it's indirect fire range.

But I still think that they should fix Soviet Industry MP income before changing KV-2.

Oh, and by the way, while KV-2 was nerfed 2-3 times (hp 960 -> 800, scatter nerf and MP/FU cost adjustments with all other heavy tanks), it's penetration was actually buffed

What range? I doubt that it have 70 like ISU152.

It has 100 range in indirect fire mode.

I think we all need to test out the KV-2 again since we are all using "iirc" for this discussion.

I remember very strongly the KV-2 shooting much faster set up than in normal mode. Range is just a bonus.

I guess I should have wrote "last time I've checked game stats" instead of "iirc".

Anyway, I've checked them again, and unless I'm looking at the wrong thing, I can't find any RoF changes.

Unless panther will drive up close in which case it won't loose a single hp as KV-2 simply will not shoot.

KV-2 is expensive, not really durable and simply bad and hard to use ISU.

Nothing stops you from turning off the indirect fire mode at close range. KV-2 will still most likely lose against a Panther but it shouldn't be surprising - dedicated AT beating a more generalist tank/mobile artillery.

Also, I don't think that KV-2 in terms of overall cost is expensive for what it does - if ISU-152 is worth 260 fuel, then KV-2 is worth 230. It's worse at some things, like penetration (it's still at Jackson levels) or hp/armour (it's still at Panther levels), but it has it's advantages, like longer range or ability to shot over obstacles, that emphasise it's "mobile artillery" role. Obviously, if you'd use it as a regular tank, it's pretty expensive for what it does - but the same logic can be applied to a lot of different vehicles too.

And again, while KV-2 is fine, the doctrine it is isn't.

You just have to go close to the tank. It can't shoot at 0 range. Even so i don't think also KV2 will win against a panther. Or you need to be very lucky because it is not at all accurate.

It is a fun tank but easy to counter

Once enemy gets close, just turn off the indirect fire mode.

But really, just use the tank as an artillery piece - behind shot blockers and with spotters so you can use it's range. Or is Stuka now underpowered, because it can be killed by a T-70?

Much bigger problem than the KV-2 (which stats are overall fine) is - which was already mentioned - the whole Soviet Industry doctrine and it's MP gain.

[...]in exchange Tiger gets 28% higher ROF(5 vs 6.4 avg reload).[...]

Technically, 26,(6)%, because reload isn't the only thing that matters with RoF.

IS-2 also has better penetration than the Tiger - from 13,6% up close to 5,(5)% further away.

So I wonder why TA killed IS only 3 times out of 10.

Because small sample size is flawed? Try performing the test a bit more times, like at least 100 (though preferably more).

Also, from a purely stat point of view, it doesn't make any sense that IS-2 wins with TA more at long range - after all, IS-2 loses more of it's penetrating power at longer ranges than the TA.
TA has 180 pen at long range vs 220 at short. That's ~22% more pen at short range than long.
IS-2 has 190 pen at long range vs 250 at short. That's ~31% more pen at short range than long.
As it shows, IS-2 gains more from closing in.